GVWR Derating/Reducing

[DoesRamCare?]

So then you have to have a CDL for trailers over 10001 lbs. So it is mute point. Doesnt matter what truck GVWR is.

JFC. This is exactly what I didn’t want this thread turning into.

NO! You don’t need a CDL for a trailer over 10k. Only if the trailer is over 10 and the combined is over 26.
In fact you can drive a 25,999 gvwr truck and a 9999 gvwr trailer and not need a CDL.

It’s only required when both the 10k trailer and over 26k combined are met.

 

[DevilDodge]

Ok. Sorry. Forgot. You ordered a ford that figured all this out.

Well then I do not understand how a 12300 GVWR and a 14000 trailer matter either.

As long as your weight is under 26k

 

[DevilDodge]

I do not care to know anything about Ford...but if this is what clicks for a CDL in your state...the GCWR for a 3500 diesel SRW is 33610. So it would be that everyone driving it needs a CDL. I would imagine a ford to be a similar GCWR

Or is this another not what it is saying answer.

And again GVWR means nothing, because it says to use the highest of these numbers.

Again, makes no sense but I am not a professional...but this looks like a lot of people in Washington state are driving illegally.

 

[sstoner911]

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I do not care to know anything about Ford...but if this is what clicks for a CDL in your state...the GCWR for a 3500 diesel SRW is 33610. So it would be that everyone driving it needs a CDL. I would imagine a ford to be a similar GCWR

Or is this another not what it is saying answer.

And again GVWR means nothing, because it says to use the highest of these numbers.

Again, makes no sense but I am not a professional...but this looks like a lot of people in Washington state are driving illegally.

Wow...my GCWR is 32,710.... I cant believe they enforce that to often. Is this only if you are getting paid to transport?

 

[sstoner911]

So.....these are the Arizona CDL requirements....no Hotshots for me!

Vehicles Requiring a CDL​

• CDL Office Locations
• License Information
• Vehicles Requiring a CDL
• Tests and Manuals
• Medical Certification
• CDL Endorsements and Exemptions

Combination vehicle (truck and trailer) if the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) is 26,001 pounds or more when the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the trailer, which is added to the GVWR of the power unit (the truck), is 10,001 pounds or more.

• Class A CDL is required.

Any vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A trailer may be towed if the GVWR of the trailer is 10,000 pounds or fewer.

• Class B CDL is required.

Any vehicle with a GVWR of 26,000 pounds or fewer if the vehicle is required to be placarded to transport hazardous materials or if the vehicle transports 16 or more passengers, including the driver.

• Class C CDL is required, and an applicant must also have a passenger (P) or hazardous materials endorsement (HME) to obtain a Class C CDL.

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating means the weight that is assigned by the vehicle manufacturer to a vehicle and that represents the maximum recommended total weight including the vehicle and the load for the vehicle.

I am guessing Recreation vehicles are an exemption under :

(13) Recreational Vehicle​

49 CFR 383.5. However, ARS 28-3102(link is external) defines RV: a motor vehicle or vehicles combination that is more than twenty-six thousand pounds gross vehicle weight rating and that is designed and exclusively used for private pleasure, including vehicles commonly called motor homes, pickup trucks with campers, travel trailers, boat trailers and horse trailers used exclusively to transport personal possessions or persons for noncommercial purposes.

 

[Bozo]

Land of the tax actually lol

We are not far behind on tax........getting worse by the day, it seems.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

We are not far behind on tax........getting worse by the day, it seems.

Not even in the same ball park my brother just moved back to canada from new jersey the tax he pays now vs then is almost double

not saying you guys dont get shafted but its terrible here especially with the canadian dollar and the import fees from the us we pay big bucks for everything here... diesel is 4.60$ a gallon here where as the us national average right now is about 2.6$ Per gallon

 

[DoesRamCare?]

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I do not care to know anything about Ford...but if this is what clicks for a CDL in your state...the GCWR for a 3500 diesel SRW is 33610. So it would be that everyone driving it needs a CDL. I would imagine a ford to be a similar GCWR

Or is this another not what it is saying answer.

And again GVWR means nothing, because it says to use the highest of these numbers.

Again, makes no sense but I am not a professional...but this looks like a lot of people in Washington state are driving illegally.

This is actually a really confusing point. When they say combination rating that refers to the combo of the truck gvwr and the trailer gvwr not the trucks gcvwr. I asked about this specifically. The state patrol says they have no idea what the truck gcvwr is, it’s not printed anywhere on the truck like the gvwr is.

 

[Bozo]

Not even in the same ball park my brother just moved back to canada from new jersey the tax he pays now vs then is almost double

not saying you guys dont get shafted but its terrible here especially with the canadian dollar and the import fees from the us we pay big bucks for everything here... diesel is 4.60$ a gallon here where as the us national average right now is about 2.6$ Per gallon

We ALL are being taxed to death, that’s for sure. It never ceases to amaze me, all the different ways they think of to take more and more of our freedom(money).

 

[RV_Goose]

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I do not care to know anything about Ford...but if this is what clicks for a CDL in your state...the GCWR for a 3500 diesel SRW is 33610. So it would be that everyone driving it needs a CDL. I would imagine a ford to be a similar GCWR

Or is this another not what it is saying answer.

And again GVWR means nothing, because it says to use the highest of these numbers.

Again, makes no sense but I am not a professional...but this looks like a lot of people in Washington state are driving illegally.

Most time the CDL requirement is for anyone driving commercially. In NC I can buy a dump truck and drive it. As long as I am hauling my own stuff I only need a non-CDL class A license. If I get paid to haul for someone else, then I need a CDL. I know folks who have bought a used piece of equipment, did what they needed to do, and then sold it.

The key in most places is are you driving commercially or not?

 

[Billcf7]

A CDL is exactly what it says commercial drivers licence. It doesnt matter if you are driving a minivan, if you are getting paid while driving you require a CDL

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

A CDL is exactly what it says commercial drivers licence. It doesnt matter if you are driving a minivan, if you are getting paid while driving you require a CDL

i think he is just trying to getaway with having a side hussle and instead of doing things the proper way

 

[Bozo]

Most time the CDL requirement is for anyone driving commercially. In NC I can buy a dump truck and drive it. As long as I am hauling my own stuff I only need a non-CDL class A license. If I get paid to haul for someone else, then I need a CDL. I know folks who have bought a used piece of equipment, did what they needed to do, and then sold it.

The key in most places is are you driving commercially or not?

Likewise, here in iowa. I had a dot officer that lived next door when I built my shop, asked me if it (dump truck) was for personal use, I replied yes and she said, “carry on”. Excavating equipment has some exceptions too as far as weights and towing are concerned. Been awhile on that one though.

 

[DoesRamCare?]

A CDL is exactly what it says commercial drivers licence. It doesnt matter if you are driving a minivan, if you are getting paid while driving you require a CDL

What in the actual ignorance are you talking about here? There are all kinds of exceptions to needing a CDL...

 

[DoesRamCare?]

i think he is just trying to getaway with having a side hussle and instead of doing things the proper way

Proper is pretty subjective. If I can operate my side business without needing a CDL legally (proper) it's in my best interest from a financial perspective.

 

[Bozo]

Until rules apply to everyone(politicians) I would exploit every loophole possible.

 

[MitchKaplan]

RAM 2500s with cummins can legally tow a 14k trailer and of course have the 10k GVWR. With a lower trim level you may have enough payload also. Have you run the numbers on a 2500 cummins?
If the numbers work, the RAM 2500 is the nicest riding truck in its class.

B

Great to know. Does anyone have experience in single to dual wheel adapters from companies like Southwest Wheel?
That would solve my problem of stability and gvcw.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Great to know. Does anyone have experience in single to dual wheel adapters from companies like Southwest Wheel?
That would solve my problem of stability and gvcw.

pricey but good i have used their 8 bolt to 10 bolt adapters before

 

[Lary0071]

So then you have to have a CDL for trailers over 10001 lbs. So it is mute point. Doesnt matter what truck GVWR is.

Not the way I read that, it say AND.... So the 14K trailer and 11,800 gross truck is under the combined 26,001 meaning that he did not meet the requirements of the "AND", and as such falls below 26,001 combined.

All trailers with a manufacturer's weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more, and a combined vehicles' gross weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more.

 

[UglyViking]

I'm not making a comment on OPs needs, or give business advice as it's pretty clear he knows what he's doing and wants.

I am pretty surprised that WA has a CDL requirement where it takes the highest rating of GVWR, registered or actual weight while it completely avoids any discussion on GAWR, which seems odd since from my understanding DOT is basically exclusively focused on GAWR. Also, why would registered weight even matter if the GVWR is higher, then you're screwed anyway unless you're towing light weight trailers.

The whole thing is odd but coming from WA it doesn't surprise me.