I would love a Powerwagon with a Cummins. The diesels are great in the desert if set up properly. I've watched Carli/Thuren set up trucks outperform Raptors at some of the DTX (Dodge Truck Xtreme) meetups. I have to admit. I was close to ordering a TRX though!
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Diesel gas comparison
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Coming from a 1999 24V driver, the new Cummins left me wondering where the power went. The 6.4 was much closer to what I am used to, so I bought it. There is some serious de-rating going on with the Cummins, until it gets into high gear.
Put a load behind it and the power will come on.
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One thing to keep in mind; the wish list never stops. I have a wimpy 1500/5.7 and would love a 2500/6.4. My truck pulls my trailer fine, I sit in 6th gear at 2300 rpms on the freeway and eat up the miles. But I keep wondering how much better the 2500/6.4 would do.
What is stopping me, is that knowledge that if I had a 2500/6.4, I would be thinking "gee, I really wonder what that cummins feels like......."
If I didn't stop myself (giving myself too much credit, it's really the bank which is stopping me), I'd have a HO in my driveway to pull my 5000 pound trailer. At a certain point, we have to be honest with ourselves; need vs want.
What is stopping me, is that knowledge that if I had a 2500/6.4, I would be thinking "gee, I really wonder what that cummins feels like......."
If I didn't stop myself (giving myself too much credit, it's really the bank which is stopping me), I'd have a HO in my driveway to pull my 5000 pound trailer. At a certain point, we have to be honest with ourselves; need vs want.
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No way the front locker could hang on 850 lb/ft torque without serious torque management from the ECM. Extreme torque becomes a weak link finder/enemy off-road.
Again, 850 lb/ft is insane torque and needs to be dialed back by the ECM until under load and needed to avoid a rash of warranty breakages.
I think we're all so desensitized to how much torque that actually is since it's easy to make power these days gas or diesel. I used to drive class 8 Kenworth dump trucks with that kind of power (Cummins ISL, were turds, 850 is not enough in that world haha). My last CDL gig had me in a Ford F-750 loaded out crew truck with a Caterpillar C9 ACERT. I was pulling a 24,000lb Deere 410 on a heavy trailer. That engine had 890lb/ft. That whole combo weighed 7x what this pickup weighs empty with around the same torque at similar RPM. That's insane!
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Ram won't do it because of the weight of the engine, since they softened up the suspension so much for offroading. Given the last decade of Cummins development, I would expect that Ram would have to start producing the Power Wagon on the 3500 chassis, or a custom chassis like they've done with the TRX, to be able to put the Cummins in it. Just speculating, of course.
I believe the winch blocking the lower part of the intercooler/interference is also a factor why there's no Cummins PW.
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With the rather dismal payload of the PW, you'd probably have to remove the winch anyway just in order to carry the driver with the Cummins in place.
