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What do you guys run and how often?
 
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Also should of asked in orginal question what about in winter for northern guys? New to diesel and really appreciate all the info you guys have given to me just by reading previous topics! Thanks in advance.
 
Question is it necessary to add fuel additives? After 4 Rams I never added anything into fuel..
 
I use Stanadyne Performance Formula every fill up year round. Is it necessary I don't know, but was recommended by friends with 2006 5.9 CTD's, when I bought my first diesel in 2014.
 
Power Service (Diesel Kleen) grey above freezing, PS white (anti gel) for the winter. Only additive endorsed by Cummins. Directions are on the label.
 
For fuel, I use a mixture of 4 oz Archoil's AR6200 and 12 oz of Hotshots EDT. I use 2 0z of this mixture for every 25 gallons.
Is it necessary? No. I use it for preventative maintenance, added lubricity, cetane and keeping fuel system, especially injectors, clean.

For oil, I use Archoil's AR9100. Again, not necessary but using for the lower friction benefits.

I also carry Diesel Kleen's white bottle in case I get in extremely cold situations to keep fuel from gelling.
 
I have had my DuraMax 08 since new - I also use Diesel Kleen (grey bottle) every few tanks and every other tank during the winter - I never fully empty the tank as I do not want to run it dry (not good for oil burners). My truck empty on the gauge is about 8 gallons of an approx 36-gallon tank. I live in Richmond Va so during the winter months not as cold as other places. When temps are forecasted to be below freezing I make sure to add the proper amount for 36 gallons and get fuel to make sure I do not have any problems with gelling so far.
I know that this is a very different engine, but similar enough.
If you are going to use a fuel additive - understand the different properties and what they mean, especially with moisture (water in the fuel).
In the Diesel Kleen world, there are 3 flavors (grey, white, and the red 911-when you have gelled (no start in winter)).
Other products have different properties and functions as well.
There are folks out there, that never use anything and have been problem-free, and will state these products are not useful and in fact, will state the fuel additives are a waste of money.
My position - Diesel Kleen has not been proven to be harmful, I'm of the thought process, "an ounce of prevention prevents the pound of cure." In my case, a new engine transplant is about $12,000 or so and the injectors are about $800 or so each, times 8 for my engine. I can't afford the repairs nor be without my primary means of transportation.
The short end is, do your homework, understand what the chemicals do, and or not do vs the others. Then decide for yourself. Getting info from others is a good step. Product websites are reasonable sources, but they are obviously going to be biased. I have made the choice to use such products (Diesel Kleen (grey bottle)).
Good luck with the new truck, may you have many years of trouble-free use as I have out of my truck.
Respectfully,
GotDiesel
 
GotDiesel said:
I have had my DuraMax 08 since new - I also use Diesel Kleen (grey bottle) every few tanks and every other tank during the winter - I never fully empty the tank as I do not want to run it dry (not good for oil burners). My truck empty on the gauge is about 8 gallons of an approx 36-gallon tank. I live in Richmond Va so during the winter months not as cold as other places. When temps are forecasted to be below freezing I make sure to add the proper amount for 36 gallons and get fuel to make sure I do not have any problems with gelling so far.
I know that this is a very different engine, but similar enough.
If you are going to use a fuel additive - understand the different properties and what they mean, especially with moisture (water in the fuel).
In the Diesel Kleen world, there are 3 flavors (grey, white, and the red 911-when you have gelled (no start in winter)).
Other products have different properties and functions as well.
There are folks out there, that never use anything and have been problem-free, and will state these products are not useful and in fact, will state the fuel additives are a waste of money.
My position - Diesel Kleen has not been proven to be harmful, I'm of the thought process, "an ounce of prevention prevents the pound of cure." In my case, a new engine transplant is about $12,000 or so and the injectors are about $800 or so each, times 8 for my engine. I can't afford the repairs nor be without my primary means of transportation.
The short end is, do your homework, understand what the chemicals do, and or not do vs the others. Then decide for yourself. Getting info from others is a good step. Product websites are reasonable sources, but they are obviously going to be biased. I have made the choice to use such products (Diesel Kleen (grey bottle)).
Good luck with the new truck, may you have many years of trouble-free use as I have out of my truck.
Respectfully,
GotDiesel
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I agree 100%
To add to your "Diesel Kleen has not been proven to be harmful". I am a fuel/oil additives dealer so I read a lot and browse the various forums. I have never heard of a case where today's additives caused harm. Yes, there many who never use an additive and never have a problem and many call the additives snake oil and a wast of money. I use them not to solve any problems but solely as preventative maintenance. of which I am convinced works and definitely will not harm.

The only additive I'm aware of that cures and prevents problems is Archoil's AR9100 in a Ford 7.3 or 6.0 diesel. AR9100 cures and prevents stiction, an infamous problem in those engines, especially if using the wrong oil or extending the oil change interval. I believe Hotshots has also come out with a "stiction" additive but I have no experience with it.
 
John Jensen said:
I agree 100%
To add to your "Diesel Kleen has not been proven to be harmful". I am a fuel/oil additives dealer so I read a lot and browse the various forums. I have never heard of a case where today's additives caused harm. Yes, there many who never use an additive and never have a problem and many call the additives snake oil and a wast of money. I use them not to solve any problems but solely as preventative maintenance. of which I am convinced works and definitely will not harm.

The only additive I'm aware of that cures and prevents problems is Archoil's AR9100 in a Ford 7.3 or 6.0 diesel. AR9100 cures and prevents stiction, an infamous problem in those engines, especially if using the wrong oil or extending the oil change interval. I believe Hotshots has also come out with a "stiction" additive but I have no experience with it.
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OK, I must be dumb. How does engine oil affect stiction in fuel injectors?
 
The Ford 7.3 & 6.0 Powerstroke are the only engines that use a Hydraulic Electronic Unit Injector System (HEUI). This is quite rare and unique in that is uses the crankcase engine oil to pressurize and "operate" the fuel injector. Extreme heat helps in creating a varnish causing "injector stiction". It is also prone to erratic injector timing resulting in smoke, low power and poor overall performance. The 6.0 & 7.3 Powerstroke series has a high occurrence of spool valve stiction, erratic injector timing and premature injector failure. This is an issue in 6.0 & 7.3 engines regardless of the synthetic or regular diesel oil rating or how often the oil is changed. There are legitimate concerns regarding the hi-pressure oil side of the 6.0 & 7.3 HEUI fuel injection system. No other diesel engine uses its motor oil up to 4000 psi and forces it into a nearly microscopic orifice inside the fuel injector. The 6.0 & 7.3 engine oil needs help beyond what is currently offered in diesel rated motor oils. ARCHOIL AR9100 is the help it needs to restore and maintain 6.0 & 7.3 HEUI injector systems. As an added benefit AR9100 will reduce friction, prolonging engine life and run quieter. AR9100 Nanoborate Friction Modifier to lower fluid system coefficient of friction to 0.037, anti-corrosive and EP agent, maintains engine free of deposits and sludge, improves MPG, lowers operating temperatures, double oil drain cycle and increases HP. AR9100 contains various esters which dissolves carbon and varnish, a solution for POWERSTROKE injector stiction which is the accumulation of carbon and varnish deposits in the injector spool valve resulting in a performance drop, hard starts, drop in fuel economy, injector failure, etc. AR9100 restores the injectors to OEM performance.
 
John, thank you so much for the super technical explanation!

Me personally, I dump a bottle of Lucas injector cleaner into every tank... hoping it helps the CP4 from eating itself


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jpidgie said:
John, thank you so much for the super technical explanation!
Me personally, I dump a bottle of Lucas injector cleaner into every tank... hoping it helps the CP4 from eating itself
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From what I have read the CP4 culprit is lubricity. I'm not sure just an injector cleaner helps the CP4. Maybe someone with more expertise on the CP4 will chime in.
I'm not familiar with the Lucas product you are using, but you may want to check its lubricity factor. Hotshots just came out with a fuel lubricant called LX4. And they have begun adding LX4 to their fuel additives such as EDT. I have several bottles of pre-LX4 EDT so I bought some LX4 to add to them.
 
Bottom line I got from that was you don't want premature injection failure :eek: , is that why the blue oval looks like a little blue pill.
I use diesel Klein on every tank whenever I'm not going to burn through a tank full.
 
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