I am not arguing either. Just stating facts for the other side of the conversation. RAM is right where they should be... unfortunately that means they do not have the most powerful gas engine and have not moved to the new cab. BUT IF I KNOW RAM...good timesNo ONE is arguing with you sir. We are all RAM folks hence why I frequent this forum. I am a consumer, and as a consumer relish at the fact that we have competition because we all win. Great facts you presented though.