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4.10 Gearing Daily mpg not towing?

I'm seeing between 10.5 and 13.5 depending on conditions. Most tanks sit around 12 for the average. Hand calc'd
 
2020 3500 dually HO Aisin 4x4 and I get 17 on highway. If over 100 miles it'll approach 18 running 72. Meter and hand calculation are always close, but the meter is .5-1 gallon optimistic.
 
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With these newer 6.4s with 8-speeds, do you hear it drop down into eco mode or no? I know there is a light that comes on, but other than the light, is it noticeable?
 
RamGuy84 said:
With these newer 6.4s with 8-speeds, do you hear it drop down into eco mode or no? I know there is a light that comes on, but other than the light, is it noticeable?
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MDS is pretty quiet while cruising but give it some throttle and it makes more noise than I would like until it finally goes back to normal mode.

Greg
2019 | RAM 2500 | CCSB | 6.4 HEMI
2016 | Heartland Pioneer | DS310
 
It sounds like the mpg’s in comparison to a diesel really aren’t much less.
 
RamGuy84 said:
It sounds like the mpg’s in comparison to a diesel really aren’t much less.
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Don't compare MPG, compare % difference.

Lets say a gas gets 10 mpg, and a diesel 13. Sounds minimal, until you convert to percentage and realize the gas is only getting 76% that the diesel is getting. That's actually quite large. I would love to reduce my fuel bill by 25%.
 
silver billet said:
Don't compare MPG, compare % difference.

Lets say a gas gets 10 mpg, and a diesel 13. Sounds minimal, until you convert to percentage and realize the gas is only getting 76% that the diesel is getting. That's actually quite large. I would love to reduce my fuel bill by 25%.
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And that's not towing.
 
silver billet said:
Don't compare MPG, compare % difference.

Lets say a gas gets 10 mpg, and a diesel 13. Sounds minimal, until you convert to percentage and realize the gas is only getting 76% that the diesel is getting. That's actually quite large. I would love to reduce my fuel bill by 25%
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You also have to factor in how much of that % in fuel savings it takes to offset the 9-11k premium for the diesel. Cause until then, You aren't saving money
 
406Linetrash said:
You also have to factor in how much of that % in fuel savings it takes to offset the 9-11k premium for the diesel. Cause until then, You aren't saving money
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Except that many folks are paying 9-11k more for their gas trucks than I did for my 2020 RAM 3500 Tradesman CC LB HO Aisin 4x4.
 
silver billet said:
Don't compare MPG, compare % difference.

Lets say a gas gets 10 mpg, and a diesel 13. Sounds minimal, until you convert to percentage and realize the gas is only getting 76% that the diesel is getting. That's actually quite large. I would love to reduce my fuel bill by 25%.
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Where I am, diesel is typically 30-50 cents more per gallon.
 
RV_Goose said:
Except that many folks are paying 9-11k more for their gas trucks than I did for my 2020 RAM 3500 Tradesman CC LB HO Aisin 4x4.
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Not where I am at. You can still find the same deals that you would last year. I've been getting pricing on ordering a gasser and I'm finding 10k off MSRP.
 
RV_Goose said:
1500 or 2500 or 3500? I'm just going on what I've seen folks post on boards for their loaded 1500 and 2500 trucks.
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3500.

I think it really depends on the dealer. A high volume dealer for what I'm looking at ordering was 9000 off MSRP and 66k on my trade. A smaller out of town dealer was at invoice and 56k on trade.
 
RamGuy84 said:
3500.

I think it really depends on the dealer. A high volume dealer for what I'm looking at ordering was 9000 off MSRP and 66k on my trade. A smaller out of town dealer was at invoice and 56k on trade.
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Location and timing can mean amazing price differences. I think most people think a Tradesman has vinyl seats and floors and the lowest everything. Mine are not like that at all.
 
406Linetrash said:
You also have to factor in how much of that % in fuel savings it takes to offset the 9-11k premium for the diesel. Cause until then, You aren't saving money
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Yeah, and the oil changes that are twice as expensive, and the fuel filters that have to get swapped, and the DEF, etc. etc...

In the end, NOBODY is saving money with diesel.

We won't even get into what happens if a diesel fuel injection system blows out of warranty.....
 
The diesel trucks are absolutely more efficient, but they are NOT cheaper to own--no way, no chance, not even close.

These days you buy diesel to be able to tow 15k lbs up a 6% grade at 65 mph at 2300 rpm with pedal to spare. That's the reason and not much else.... well, maybe resale. Resale is absolutely stronger with the diesel.

That said, knowing and accepting the cost difference, ive been buying diesel trucks for the last 15 years.
 
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