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3500 vs F450 Thoughts

Oneday997

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I had the opportunity to spend about 16 hours towing a 40' 7 horse trailer in an F450 a week or so ago and thought I'd post my impressions of it vs our Ram 3500 HO DRW.

The Trucks: 2019 Ford F450 crew cab Lariat Western Hauler w/ airbags and 87K miles. 2021 Ram 3500 Longhorn Mega Cab DRW with Cummins HO / Aisin and 12K miles. Trailers I've towed as basis for comparison are 40-42' horse trailers that weigh in at about 35K lbs loaded. One is 4 horse with living quarters and one is a 7 horse with large tack and triple axels.

Motor/Power: Power felt very similar. Both trucks have plenty of go in them. The Ram feels like it has more torque low in the rev range - it digs in and scoots off the line with a heavy tow load better than the Ford. The Ford felt like it had more power higher in the rev range. Passing acceleration from 60-80with the trailer felt better in the Ford. I'd give a slight edge to the Ram as the torque just feels easier to access. The Ford made a bit less engine noise, but it was a very slight difference.

Transmission: The Ford was a much smoother shifting transmission. There were times that I couldn't even tell that it shifted. This is the old 6spd Allison box, not the newer 10spd that came out in 2020. The Aisin in the Ram does it's job but it has a lot more 'kick' to it when moving through the gears, especially on downshifts.

Brakes: Stopping power felt about equal but the pedal feel was very different. The Ram has more travel in it and better feedback imo - easier to tell how far into the brakes you are. The Ford was short on travel, very stiff at the pedal and provided very little feedback. Felt like pressing on a 2x4. Both do the job, but the Ram was far more confidence inspiring. The exhaust brake on the Ram is far better than the Ford. The Ford exhaust brake really doesn't do a whole lot while the Ram is a considerable help.

Ride and Handling: This Ford had airbags on it and the Ram does not. The Ford was considerably stiffer under the trailer load that the Ram. I felt less bed bob with the Ford, but the compromise was a higher level of overall harshness. The steering feel in the Ram was better than in the Ford. The Ford had lighter feel to it with less feedback. This is probably more of a personal preference, but I like the more direct, more connected feel in the Ram. The Ford pulled all over the road and wandered around in the lane quite a bit. The tires on it were very square in profile and I think this coupled with the wider front track that found the semi grooves in the road made it feel less stable. It was a two hands on the wheel drive for most of it, while the Ram trucks along straight and true.

Interior materials, fit and finish: No doubt about the winner here. The Ram comes out way ahead even with the upgrades tacked on by the aftermarket Western Hauler package. The quality of the materials and the overall fit and finish was far better in the Ram. Lots of rattles, especially over rough roads, in the Ford. No rattles in the Ram. Ram just felt put together better in every way. One glaring example was the steering wheel. In the Ford that stickered out over $100K, the steering wheel was a thin, vinyl (at least it didn't feel like leather to me) wrapped, un-heated steering wheel that looked like it would be right at home on a $35K F150 work truck. No comparison to the thicker, leather/wood wrapped and heated wheel on the Ram. It's a small thing, but since you touch the wheel more than anything else, it makes a difference.

Comfort: The one edge the Ford had on the interior was the front leg room and telescoping wheel. I'm only 6' tall and the Ram feels a bit cramped in the front compared to the Ford. For the life of me, I don't understand why a $90K Ram doesn't get a telescoping wheel. The adjustable pedals help some, but don't beat the ability to adjust the steering well. All of that said, the Ram is much more comfortable place to be. I was much more fatigued steeping out of the Ford after 8 hours on the road than I am when driving the Ram. The Ram feels like you are towing at 35,000lbs trailer with a luxury car. The Ford felt like a big diesel truck - did the job, but not as refined as the Ram. Back seat room looked to be pretty much the same, but the Ford seats don't recline and there's really no room for storage back there.

Tech: Not really a fair comparison as the Ford is from 2019 and the Ram 2022, but the Ram wins here. The Ford Sync system worked well and I had no complaints about it. The ergonomics of the Ford weren't as snazzy as in the Ram, but I think they were easier to jump in and intuitively understand due to the use of more old school buttons and switches. The B&O stereo in the Ford was much more crisp than the Harmon Kardon unit in the Ram. The cameras in the Ram are far superior, but again, I'm sure the newer Fords are right on par.

Misc stuff: I love the look of the 19' wheels on the Ford, as well as the look of the wide front track. That wider axel also made the Ford more maneuverable. But, they came with a compromise noted above in the ride/handling section. The pearl white on the Ford was a nice color with more flash to it than the bright white on the Ram. The Mega Cab on the Ram with the short bed dually just looks tough imo - built like a bulldog. The great thing about the long bed on the Ford was that it allowed space for a 94 gallon transfer tank. Made it from Denver to Lincoln NE without needing a fill up. We put a 50 gallon Titan tank on the Mega Cab so that helps a lot, and we typically need a bio break every few hours anyway, but it would be nice to fit a big tank in the bed of a Mega Cab.

Those are my impressions. Both trucks are impressive in their capabilities. Granted the Ram is newer, so I can't say how it would compare to the same model year Ford, but overall, the Ram offers a more enjoyable driver experience while getting the job done imo. The fatigue factor alone makes the Ram a winner for me as the truck is used exclusively for long trips towing a heavy trailer.
 
my mistake. Don't know why Alison popped into my head. In any event, it was the older 6spd unit, not the new 10spd and observations remain the same
 
I know where the comment on Ford fatigue is coming from. It's a Ford thing from chasing the truck all over the lane all day. You can relax and drive a late model Ram or GM all day with one hand as long as you're not fighting a big wind or something like that. It's very noticeable to me.

I was going to question the Allison comment as well until I saw H3LZSNIP3R beat me to it. I believe the transmission in question would be a 6R140. I have a 6R100 in an F550 and I like the hell out of it. Pretty sure I think more of the 6 speed Torqshifts than I do 6 speed Allisons. It's might be as stout as an Aisin plus it shifts nicely. Ford has been stepping up their game in HD trnamissions the past few years.
 
My experience with driving a Ford was the same, I always felt beat up after a day on the road, not so in the Ram. Great write up!
 
how was the exhaust brake compare..?
The exhaust brake in the Ram was better imo. It provided more immediate and more powerful stopping power. In the Ford there was more lag between your foot coming off the gas and the exhaust brake kicking in. Once engaged, it didn't slow the truck down with the same authority that the Ram's does. It took some getting used to in the Ford when I first got underway and gave me a pucker moment or two because I expected more reduction in forward momentum than I got.
 
You can relax and drive a late model Ram or GM all day with one hand as long as you're not fighting a big wind or something like that. It's very noticeable to me.
we had a bad few days of wind when i went camping last weekend my ram with my 36ft 5th wheel hardly noticed it My buddies 17 ferd 350 with a 38ft 5thwheel of equal weight had a terrible time
 
Thanks for your write up, it comes at good time for me as a have a 3500 DRW truck on order and a F-450 on order. Both trucks are close to delivery with the 3500 closer. I've owned 4 2017-2020 F-450s, all problem free. The resale is really strong on the 450's, I just sold my 2020 for 16K more than I paid for it. The Ford technology is behind. The ride is rougher but I expect that.
 
we had a bad few days of wind when i went camping last weekend my ram with my 36ft 5th wheel hardly noticed it My buddies 17 ferd 350 with a 38ft 5thwheel of equal weight had a terrible time
My 3500 is crazy stable, even on windy days
 
My 3500 is crazy stable, even on windy days
Now that you all mention it, I got to thinking. The first good load I pulled with my new 3500 dually was a 41' Montana 5er that weighed about 13,500. As I headed south off of I-70 from Topeka toward Wichita, the wind got pretty ferocious. As the road wound around through the Flint Hills, the wind varied from head on to quartering. I'm sure it was blowing hard enough sustained that our company policy was telling me to pull over but you know..... Thinking back, the truck really did do very well. I didn't really think that much about it at the time but now that I do, I don't recall feeling out of control at all. Now fuel mileage, that was another story. That wind had me down to 7mpg but wasn't bothering my stability much.
 
One comment my wife made. She said this 3500 drives like there's nothing behind it. We accelerate with ease, swap lanes and merge with traffic like there's nothing back there.
 
the comfort of the RAM cockpit cannot be underestimated. A telescoping wheel is high on my wish list but not much else. I drove from Amarillo Texas to the SF Bay Area last Saturday in one day, and I was towing. I can’t imagine doing this in a Ford or GM. FA84548B-F8E9-4CFC-A14F-168C21BD3011.jpeg
 
Great review!

I had not heard of the "Ford fatigue" before this thread. Interesting. I wonder if "ford fatigue" is related to the death wobble in the front end on those trucks.
 
I think Ford Fatigue is more of a chasing the truck around your lane thing than Death Wobble. DW is a brief isolated incident that has to be corrected immediately to maintain control of the vehicle.

Ford HD's have been a handful for decades now, IMO. I saw on the wheel constantly from left to right to stay between the lines.
 
I think Ford Fatigue is more of a chasing the truck around your lane thing than Death Wobble. DW is a brief isolated incident that has to be corrected immediately to maintain control of the vehicle.

Ford HD's have been a handful for decades now, IMO. I saw on the wheel constantly from left to right to stay between the lines.

Yep.. that is why I believe they are related.

It seems to be a front end geometry problem. DW is tied closely to caster and the Fords run too much of it stock.

This is likely also why you are chasing the truck around trying to keep it in its lane.
 
Yep.. that is why I believe they are related.

It seems to be a front end geometry problem. DW is tied closely to caster and the Fords run too much of it stock.

This is likely also why you are chasing the truck around trying to keep it in its lane.
I had a Ford F-350 Tremor that wandered and was a handful to keep in the lane. Wasn‘t because of too much caster, it was because it didn’t have enough caster. After making a few unsuccessful attempts to fix it my Ford dealer recommended I buy aftermarket suspension to try and correct the issue. Less than a week later a different Ford dealer bought that truck from me for more than I paid for it and didn’t care one bit about the wandering issue, said they all do that.

I believe any vehicle with a solid front axle can have death wobble issues if components are worn out or bad to begin with, Ram trucks included, although this issue seems to be less common here than on the Ford forums.
 
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