2022 vs 2018 Hemi

[1sttimeRamowner]

I have had several say go 2019 and higher for the better transmission. I have not, up to this morning, found one in my price.

This morning I did and it has the main things I am looking for.

It has the 8HP75 LCV trans, but it has 119,158 miles. For a two year old truck that is a hard ride. I was looking for something under 100k.

My other leading contender is a 2018 with 93,000ish miles.

Which would you recommend and why? Would the mileage be an issue to you? Anything I need to watch for?

I am also posting this in the 4th gen section as well. Thanks.

 

[wrvond]

More important than the mileage is the idle hours. I would look for something with idle hours around the 10% mark ideally.
I averaged 10,000 miles per month in my last truck but they were pretty much all highway miles with virtually no idle time and maintenance conducted religiously.

The difference of 26,000 miles between these two trucks is negligible at this point. If one was at 26,000 and the other was at 0, then it would be important.

After the idle hours I'd look at things like service records, CarFax and material condition. IME the upholstery really starts showing it's "age" at around 150,000 miles.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

More important than the mileage is the idle hours. I would look for something with idle hours around the 10% mark ideally.
I averaged 10,000 miles per month in my last truck but they were pretty much all highway miles with virtually no idle time and maintenance conducted religiously.

The difference of 26,000 miles between these two trucks is negligible at this point. If one was at 26,000 and the other was at 0, then it would be important.

After the idle hours I'd look at things like service records, CarFax and material condition. IME the upholstery really starts showing it's "age" at around 150,000 miles.

Would that be 10% of the mileage? So I need something no more than 11,900 idle hours?

 

[wrvond]

No, engine hours. The IDEAL would be around 10%.
If a truck has a lot of miles but low engine hours and low idle hours it was driven primarily on the highway. If it has lowish miles but a lot of engine hours it was probably driven in town (stop & go). If it has low miles and a lot of idle hours it was probably some sort of service truck that sat idling a lot. This is generally considered not good for modern diesel engines.



The idle hours on my truck work out to around 13% (if I mathed correctly). That's probably 60% highway and 40% in town.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

No, engine hours. The IDEAL would be around 10%.
If a truck has a lot of miles but low engine hours and low idle hours it was driven primarily on the highway. If it has lowish miles but a lot of engine hours it was probably driven in town (stop & go). If it has low miles and a lot of idle hours it was probably some sort of service truck that sat idling a lot. This is generally considered not good for modern diesel engines.

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The idle hours on my truck work out to around 13% (if I mathed correctly). That's probably 60% highway and 40% in town.

That helps out! I will reach out to them and see if they can send me a snapshot of the Engine Hours. Thank you!

 

[Finn5033]

No, engine hours. The IDEAL would be around 10%.
If a truck has a lot of miles but low engine hours and low idle hours it was driven primarily on the highway. If it has lowish miles but a lot of engine hours it was probably driven in town (stop & go). If it has low miles and a lot of idle hours it was probably some sort of service truck that sat idling a lot. This is generally considered not good for modern diesel engines.

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The idle hours on my truck work out to around 13% (if I mathed correctly). That's probably 60% highway and 40% in town.

I believe the OP is talking about Hemi trucks as he mentioned the 8 speed transmission in the 2019 and up models.

That being said I think most of what you’re saying would still apply to the 6.4 hemi. I personally looked into the Hemi’s as well and the consensus seems to be that the 8 speed was a game changer for the Hemi powered HD’s so I’d lean hard that way if all other things are comparable.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

@wrvond , I did get the picture from the '22 Ram. The total hours is 5771 and the Idle time was 3357 which comes to a 58% idle.

I am nervous about this from what you are saying.

I also sent a request to the '18 Ram and am waiting to hear back from them.

@Finn5033 , You are correct. I am looking at the 6.4 Hemi. I am driving a 5.7 right now, but the weight of this truck being more than my Tundra, and yet the same 5.7, I am concerned about being under powered.

I am not sure I want a diesel as that is way more than I will need. As has been pointed out, the Diesel in the 2500 eats into the cargo weight, and the 3500 is just way more than I think I need for what I use the truck for. I love the torque, just wish it was in a gas. My ideal would be a 6.7 or a 7.2 option for both the 2500 and 3500 but I don't know enough about Ram's to know. My first full size truck was this Tundra and that is the only point of reference I have with a quarter ton.

 

[56ram2500]

I have had several say go 2019 and higher for the better transmission. I have not, up to this morning, found one in my price.

This morning I did and it has the main things I am looking for.

It has the 8HP75 LCV trans, but it has 119,158 miles. For a two year old truck that is a hard ride. I was looking for something under 100k.

My other leading contender is a 2018 with 93,000ish miles.

Which would you recommend and why? Would the mileage be an issue to you? Anything I need to watch for?

I am also posting this in the 4th gen section as well. Thanks.

The only problems I have read about in other forums for the Hemi is cam and lifter noise/problems..

 

[wrvond]

@wrvond , I did get the picture from the '22 Ram. The total hours is 5771 and the Idle time was 3357 which comes to a 58% idle.

I am nervous about this from what you are saying.

I also sent a request to the '18 Ram and am waiting to hear back from them.

@Finn5033 , You are correct. I am looking at the 6.4 Hemi. I am driving a 5.7 right now, but the weight of this truck being more than my Tundra, and yet the same 5.7, I am concerned about being under powered.

I am not sure I want a diesel as that is way more than I will need. As has been pointed out, the Diesel in the 2500 eats into the cargo weight, and the 3500 is just way more than I think I need for what I use the truck for. I love the torque, just wish it was in a gas. My ideal would be a 6.7 or a 7.2 option for both the 2500 and 3500 but I don't know enough about Ram's to know. My first full size truck was this Tundra and that is the only point of reference I have with a quarter ton.

With a gasser I wouldn’t worry about that particular data point so much. It does still kind of give you an idea how it was used though.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

With a gasser I wouldn’t worry about that particular data point so much. It does still kind of give you an idea how it was used though.

That is good to hear. I do see what you are talking about, and the other '18 Ram has not responded. I will go look at it and see, but I think for the better transmission, the '22 might be best.

Will have to wait and see.

 

[Dave01]

IMO I would not look at a 6.4 without the 8 speed. I know the power and torque numbers on the 6.4 are good, but IMO it's the 8 speed transmissions that make these trucks drive and particularly tow quite well rather than just adequately. It was the same on the 5.7 and 8 speed, that combination made it such a capable power train for those trucks and SUV's.

I'll take a look at my truck hours later today, not sure of my idle percentage. But honestly, what kind of use would give 58% idle time? Sounds strange to me.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

IMO I would not look at a 6.4 without the 8 speed. I know the power and torque numbers on the 6.4 are good, but IMO it's the 8 speed transmissions that make these trucks drive and particularly tow quite well rather than just adequately. It was the same on the 5.7 and 8 speed, that combination made it such a capable power train for those trucks and SUV's.

I'll take a look at my truck hours later today, not sure of my idle percentage. But honestly, what kind of use would give 58% idle time? Sounds strange to me.

Ok. That is good to know. The '22 is the 8 speed, and to confirm you are talking specifically about the 8HP75 LCV transmission?

That I am not sure. I am assuming the 58% idle is bad for a diesel? I don't know anything about those as I only have had gas, and only a 5.7 in my Tundra. My previous truck was a 3.4 Tundra but sold that because I needed more towing.

It sounds as though the engine hours shouldn't be an issue though between the gas and diesel, unless I am missing something? I am not mechanic. I know basic things and can do basic things but starting to go deeper, I start getting lost.

I guess, because I can be very simple, is this '22 one you would walk away from? If the key things (frame, electronics, tires, transmission, etc) are all good, would the hours and I know not as big of a deal, but the mileage something you would walk? I would hate to get this and have immediate regret.

 

[Dave01]

That's a hard question for me to answer. No question that idle hours on a diesel can be detrimental, but on a 6.4 gas with multi-displacement I believe some might think idle isn't a great thing there either. On the '22 the driving hours are 2,414, which jibes perfectly with the 119,000 miles that you said are on it. 3,357 idle hours are 140 days of just sitting there idling. Think of that use on a '22, a ton of miles per year plus they must have just left it running for hours on end, maybe they worked on a cold job site, maybe they were working out of the truck and never turned it off, who knows. I think it just sounds like such an odd use for the truck that it might give me pause. Curious for what others here might think.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

That's a hard question for me to answer. No question that idle hours on a diesel can be detrimental, but on a 6.4 gas with multi-displacement I believe some might think idle isn't a great thing there either. On the '22 the driving hours are 2,414, which jibes perfectly with the 119,000 miles that you said are on it. 3,357 idle hours are 140 days of just sitting there idling. Think of that use on a '22, a ton of miles per year plus they must have just left it running for hours on end, maybe they worked on a cold job site, maybe they were working out of the truck and never turned it off, who knows. I think it just sounds like such an odd use for the truck that it might give me pause. Curious for what others here might think.

Thank you.

In this area, there is a lot of construction and building. I had been leaning toward the thought that it was an outside work truck but the only thing I can think of is construction, or railroad. We have a lot of that here as well.

I too would be interested in anyone else's feedback for sure because this is, while in budget, an expense I do not want to take lightly.

 

[1sttimeRamowner]

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Never mind. I think I want to play it safe and get a truck with no accidents reported.