2021 Ram 2500 (Diesel) (5th Wheel)

[darrellr]

will the truck do it 100% without a doubt but should the truck do it depends on the driver and local laws. With bags it will be safe and it wont hurt the truck if you air the tires up to the proper pressures but legally it depends on where you live.

You should quit saying things like "with bags it will be safe." It won't be safe with bags or not. That is simply too much weight on that truck. Bags can help stiffen the suspension and level the truck. They do not add payload to the truck, they do not remove axle weight.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

You should quit saying things like "with bags it will be safe." It won't be safe with bags or not. That is simply too much weight on that truck. Bags can help stiffen the suspension and level the truck. They do not add payload to the truck, they do not remove axle weight.

Yet if you go to a coach builder they will increase the payload sticker with only adding bags…. Axle weight does not need to be removed as the Axle is the same for the 2500 and 3500. And AAM rates the axles at 10900LBS max. The truck will be 100% safe that is a fact

 

[darrellr]

They would have to certify the entirety of the vehicle can operate over the specs from the manufacturer. The axles are not all the same between 2500 and 3500, the 3500DRW uses a slightly larger axle. If you run a 14,000lb gvwr truck over 14,000lb with only adding airbags, you are going to be outside of safe according to the manufacturer. Also, I would LOVE to see any airbag manufacturer claiming that you can increase your vehicle's payload simply by adding airbags to the vehicle. And if your upfitter is changing the sticker and saying the GVWR increased by adding airbags, I think they are asking for a lawsuit. You are quick to guarantee 100% safety for stuff you can't really speak authoritatively about. Kind of like most of your other posts, and your signature line - "You're doing it wrong" because H3LZSN1P3R says so.

 

[Brutal_HO]

They would have to certify the entirety of the vehicle can operate over the specs from the manufacturer. The axles are not all the same between 2500 and 3500, the 3500DRW uses a slightly larger axle. If you run a 14,000lb gvwr truck over 14,000lb with only adding airbags, you are going to be outside of safe according to the manufacturer. Also, I would LOVE to see any airbag manufacturer claiming that you can increase your vehicle's payload simply by adding airbags to the vehicle. And if your upfitter is changing the sticker and saying the GVWR increased by adding airbags, I think they are asking for a lawsuit. You are quick to guarantee 100% safety for stuff you can't really speak authoritatively about. Kind of like most of your other posts, and your signature line - "You're doing it wrong" because H3LZSN1P3R says so.

If a subscriber option is ever instituted here like 5thgenrams, subscribers would be able to modify their onw title. Currently this is not possible.

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[darrellr]

If a subscriber option is ever instituted here like 5thgenrams, subscribers would be able to modify their onw title. Currently this is not possible.

Custom titles are most often pithy tags assigned by site staff based on past transgressions or funny anecdotal content (or upon special request for long time members in good standing).

That makes it infinitely better lololol!

 

[AH64ID]

They would have to certify the entirety of the vehicle can operate over the specs from the manufacturer. The axles are not all the same between 2500 and 3500, the 3500DRW uses a slightly larger axle. If you run a 14,000lb gvwr truck over 14,000lb with only adding airbags, you are going to be outside of safe according to the manufacturer. Also, I would LOVE to see any airbag manufacturer claiming that you can increase your vehicle's payload simply by adding airbags to the vehicle. And if your upfitter is changing the sticker and saying the GVWR increased by adding airbags, I think they are asking for a lawsuit. You are quick to guarantee 100% safety for stuff you can't really speak authoritatively about. Kind of like most of your other posts, and your signature line - "You're doing it wrong" because H3LZSN1P3R says so.

The 2500/3500 SRW’s use the same housing which is rated thousands of pounds higher than the wheels/tires. The axle doesn’t need to be a point of consideration. The 10,912 rating is on the older, thinner, housing. The current housing is likely rated much higher but AAM hasn’t been as open with that info.

I am not aware of the DRW using a stronger/larger housing, but even if it does that’s immaterial to SRW operations.

The manufacture actually says it’s safe to exceed GVWR by giving you a FAWR+RAWR for that exceeds GVWR. They won’t put it in writing, but the 14K limit is a vehicle classification limit for emissions and not a structural limit. It’s simply about understand why things are rated like they are, and what ratings matter.

It’s very easy, and 100% legal, to modify your GVWR and axle ratings. I had a modified sticker on my 2005 because most non-commercial LEO’s don’t know weight laws and I didn’t want any issues running heavier.

 

[darrellr]

So you can just change those ratings, without being authorized to do so, at a whim or without proper evidence of testing and recertification studies? And that will hold up in civil court? No, it does not work that way.

 

[AH64ID]

So you can just change those ratings, without being authorized to do so, at a whim or without proper evidence of testing and recertification studies? And that will hold up in civil court? No, it does not work that way.

Who says you aren’t authorized?

Federal Code authorizes it.

 

[darrellr]

The manufacture actually says it’s safe to exceed GVWR by giving you a FAWR+RAWR for that exceeds GVWR. They won’t put it in writing, but the 14K limit is a vehicle classification limit for emissions and not a structural limit. It’s simply about understand why things are rated like they are, and what ratings matter.

No they don't. This is from RAM:
6. GAWRs, GVWRs and GCWRs should never be exceeded.
This does not say it is safe to exceed the GVWR.

 

[darrellr]

Who says you aren’t authorized?

Federal Code authorizes it.

Federal code requires that the manufacturer spec the vehicle, and can re-spec the vehicle. They must be able to show proper analysis and justification. Coach builders can also modify these ratings, with the same analysis, but they must receive an incomplete vehicle, such as the chassis but not the body / coach portions. They still have to show the justification for their weight rating, they cannot just fabricate a sticker out of thin air and make it alright.

 

[AH64ID]

No they don't. This is from RAM:
6. GAWRs, GVWRs and GCWRs should never be exceeded.
This does not say it is safe to exceed the GVWR.

Hence the “won’t put it in writing”…

Federal code requires that the manufacturer spec the vehicle, and can re-spec the vehicle. They must be able to show proper analysis and justification. Coach builders can also modify these ratings, with the same analysis, but they must receive an incomplete vehicle, such as the chassis but not the body / coach portions. They still have to show the justification for their weight rating, they cannot just fabricate a sticker out of thin air and make it alright.

Read the code, the requirements your listing aren’t in it.

Common sense needs to apply, you simply can’t slap some 125LI tires on a Ranger and put 7K on the rear axle.

It’s not something for everyone, or even most folks, to even consider. But there are legal ways to do so.

 

[darrellr]

Hence the “won’t put it in writing”…



Read the code, the requirements your listing aren’t in it.

Common sense needs to apply, you simply can’t slap some 125LI tires on a Ranger and put 7K on the rear axle.

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[darrellr]

Hence the “won’t put it in writing”…



Read the code, the requirements your listing aren’t in it.

Common sense needs to apply, you simply can’t slap some 125LI tires on a Ranger and put 7K on the rear axle.

It’s not something for everyone, or even most folks, to even consider. But there are legal ways to do so.

Inside GVWR & GAWR Rules & Regulations

Companies with vehicle certification responsibilities are familiar with chassis gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) and gross axle weight rating (GAWR), and their importance in the labeling portion of the certification process.

www.constructionbusinessowner.com

 

[AH64ID]

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Cool, that’s not federal code.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Ha, this is exaclty federal code you moron. Why would they just have these rules if there was no federal code backing them? Are you saying the NHTSA is not federal or something or that DoT is not federal? Seriously.

You are very quick to assume i have any care about DOT info when i am not in the US here it is legal to be over the payload sticker and it is legal and not uncommon to have the GVWR upped by outfitters. The frame and all running gear on a 2500 is the same as the 3500 SRW the only difference is the coil sprung rear end.

 

[darrellr]

Is the poster in Canada? I would say the same comment you made about DRW not being a concern to OP as to your living in Canada.

 

[darrellr]

For anyone else who still cares and resides in the US, the appropriate federal code can be found at:

49 CFR § 567.7 - Requirements for persons who alter certified vehicles.

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[CFE]

Maybe downgrade from a 5W to a travel trailer. You can get a nice all season TT w/ much less load and the hitch weight will be much less than the 5W pin weight. There's several very nice TT brands out night (Twilight comes to mind).

 

[JustARam22]

You should quit saying things like "with bags it will be safe." It won't be safe with bags or not. That is simply too much weight on that truck. Bags can help stiffen the suspension and level the truck. They do not add payload to the truck, they do not remove axle weight.

Maybe downgrade from a 5W to a travel trailer. You can get a nice all season TT w/ much less load and the hitch weight will be much less than the 5W pin weight. There's several very nice TT brands out night (Twilight comes to mind).

A TT just isn't going to be big enough or handle the same as a 5th wheel. I did decide not to go so big as I've also realized the payload isn't as big of a deal as it's maid out to be at least within reason.

I will be down a higher rated tire, add bags, and upgraded away bar.

I am going to keep the trailer at a 10k dry and no more then 13k loaded

 

[gimmie11s]

Ha, this is exaclty federal code you moron. Why would they just have these rules if there was no federal code backing them? Are you saying the NHTSA is not federal or something or that DoT is not federal? Seriously.

Blame Canaduh