Stellantis Exec Says Hydrogen-Powered Ram 5500 Is Coming

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Stellantis Exec Says Hydrogen-Powered Ram 5500 Is Coming​

Should See A New Hydrogen Fuel Cell Commercial Truck Very Soon...​

In a recent interview with the German publication Welt am Sonntag, Stellantis’ Chief Technology Officer for Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle Development, Jean-Michel Billig, unveiled an exciting development in the automotive industry—a hydrogen fuel cell-powered Ram 5500 destined for the North American market in the next year. This groundbreaking move underscores Stellantis’ commitment to sustainability and innovation in the heavy-duty truck segment.

Stellantis Exec Says Hydrogen-Powered Ram 5500 Is Coming - HD Rams

In a recent interview with the German publication Welt am Sonntag, Stellantis' Chief Technology Officer for Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle Development, Jean-Michel Billig, unveiled an exciting development in the automotive industry—a hydrogen fuel cell-powered Ram 5500 destined for the North...

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[LegendaryLawman]

Wonderful, by the time CA outlaws diesels in new model year trucks, Stellantis will be onboard to kill the CTD

 

[mbarber84]

Wonderful, by the time CA outlaws diesels in new model year trucks, Stellantis will be onboard to kill the CTD

Rumor has it they’re already attempting to build an in-house diesel option to replace the Cummins…

 

[LegendaryLawman]

Rumor has it they’re already attempting to build an in-house diesel option to replace the Cummins…

Terrible idea but I wouldn’t doubt it. It’s all about saving money. It would be a brand killer. If ford could get that contract, my gosh that would be killer

 

[Brutal_HO]

Terrible idea but I wouldn’t doubt it. It’s all about saving money. It would be a brand killer. If ford could get that contract, my gosh that would be killer

Yea! bring back the CP4.2!

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Terrible idea but I wouldn’t doubt it. It’s all about saving money. It would be a brand killer. If ford could get that contract, my gosh that would be killer

Yea it would be killer…. A great engine in a turd truck so basically the same as the f650….

 

[Lumpskie]

I think that RAM is going to use the new Cummins 6.7 Liter engine:

"Cummins announced its plans to release a 6.7-liter version similar to the X15H which will be built on Cummins’ new fuel-agnostic platform. Below the head gasket of the hydrogen engine, it is built with largely similar components to today’s engines. However, above the head gasket, the engine has different components for different fuel types."

I am actually pretty interested in this. If the Cummins can leverage their lessons learned in diesel to produce a hydrogen vehicle that uses the same block as the current 6.7... that could be a great alternative to being forced into other immature tech.

 

[jsalbre]

Hydrogen fuel-cell and hydrogen powered are very different. A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle generates electricity from hydrogen and uses that to power electric motors. Definitely not what the Cummins hydrogen engine is going to do.

 

[brv10]

Rumor has it they’re already attempting to build an in-house diesel option to replace the Cummins…

Nope

 

[mbarber84]

Nope

Thanks. Thats reassuring.
They need to stick with what works.

 

[ppine]

One of the reasons I committed to buyin a new diesel is that they can be converted to hydrogen. EVs may end up just being commuter vehicles and a stepping stone to something more permanent like hydrogen. Soon there will be conversion kits for diesel fuel to hydrogen powered 6.7 liter engines.

The laws that keep showing up to outlaw ICE engines can easily be changed. Technology changes the playing surface. Economics create practical solutions that drive legislation.
People need to relax a little about this subject. We are going to fine with the vehicles we have.

 

[Lumpskie]

Hydrogen fuel-cell and hydrogen powered are very different. A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle generates electricity from hydrogen and uses that to power electric motors. Definitely not what the Cummins hydrogen engine is going to do.

You might be right. Reading this, it seems like there might be a Cummins/Ram/Hydrogen Fuel cell effort going on:

"Cummins recently introduced the B6.7H, a hydrogen version of the 6.7-liter engine, designed to power medium-duty commercial trucks. Speculation suggests that the B6.7H could potentially drive the new hydrogen fuel cell Ram 5500, highlighting the synergy between Cummins and Ram in advancing green transportation solutions."

Might also all be speculation and hype though.

 

[jsalbre]

You might be right. Reading this, it seems like there might be a Cummins/Ram/Hydrogen Fuel cell effort going on:

"Cummins recently introduced the B6.7H, a hydrogen version of the 6.7-liter engine, designed to power medium-duty commercial trucks. Speculation suggests that the B6.7H could potentially drive the new hydrogen fuel cell Ram 5500, highlighting the synergy between Cummins and Ram in advancing green transportation solutions."

Might also all be speculation and hype though.

I think the "speculation" that is referred to there is from this thread.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles don't have an engine at all. Just a fuel cell that converts hydrogen to electricity.

 

[Lumpskie]

I think the "speculation" that is referred to there is from this thread.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles don't have an engine at all. Just a fuel cell that converts hydrogen to electricity.

Either that or take word "cell" out of the description, leaving us with hydrogen fuel powered Ram.

 

[jsalbre]

I suppose that’s possible, but the quotes are from the CTO of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Development, so I’d expect it to be that.

 

[brv10]

He's a good guy

 

[Riccochet]

I'd love to know how a hydrogen internal combustion engine would deal with water. The byproduct of burning hydrogen is water. Then you'd be dealing with potential corrosion of internals or contamination of oil.

Then you have to consider the logistics of refueling. As far as I know the only market with hydrogen filling stations is California for the Toyota Mirai. And that's limited to just a one city and a small subset of surrounding areas.

Producing hydrogen is also energy intensive.

 

[brv10]

There are different types out there, we will see which one gets picked shortly

 

[ppine]

Riccochet,
The obvious answer about how to deal with water in an engine that runs on hydrogen is Boyle's Law. Diesels convert fuel to energy with heat and pressure. Water injection works fine on a gasoline powered engine as an example. Water will be mostly vaporized and removed through the exhaust. There is plenty of water vapor as a by-product of gas and diesel powered engines. I don't see it as a major problem with hydrogen engines.

Hydrogen is one of the most common elements on Earth. It takes energy alright to separate it from water molecules, Solar and nuclear forms of energy may be part of the solution.

 

[brv10]

We will see soon, first trucks are any day