GAWR vs GVWR Question

[Straightravage]

I’ve watched videos, read articles but I can’t find why my GVWR is 10k vs 6000/6040 GAWR. I know you’re limited to the lower weight.

Can anyone explain why the difference?

Also pulling a 10k trailer, leave at 60psi? Psi at dealer delivery was 80. Tires say 80, sticker says 60.

 

[406Linetrash]

Cmv rules state that a class 2 truck have a gvwr of 6,001 to 10,000 pounds. 3/4 ton trucks are made to fit into the class 2 category. Since the axles are rated for more that the class allows for gvw The manufactures rate them to the max weight of the class, 10k lbs.

Stock tires- Published air pressures on door apply to service at max gvw/gcw. So your fine pulling at sticker pressures. I tow at a little above sticker pressures and run around empty in the 40# range.

Aftermarket tires-download a load chart and see what pressures you need.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Ram does it for licensing reasons from all i can tell, i run my truck based on the 12k combined axle ratings otherwise id be over just my plow and the little bit gear/tools i keep in the truck

 

[Straightravage]

On my last diesel I was pulling a 22‘ lake boat. Wasn’t worried anout payload or anything.
Now I’m soon upgrading frok a 22’ airstream to a 33’ 10k Airstream with 1000lb hitch weight.
I just don’t understand why they derate the truck when its capable of 12k?
With my 10k limit I’m at 2k payload.

 

[406Linetrash]

On my last diesel I was pulling a 22‘ lake boat. Wasn’t worried anout payload or anything.
Now I’m soon upgrading frok a 22’ airstream to a 33’ 10k Airstream with 1000lb hitch weight.
I just don’t understand why they derate the truck when its capable of 12k?
With my 10k limit I’m at 2k payload.

Because for insurance/tax/licensing, wichever applies. It needs to be a class 2 vehicle. Wich Max's out at 10k pounds. So they rate it for 10k pounds. I don't understand what you don't understand.

 

[Brutal_HO]

On my last diesel I was pulling a 22‘ lake boat. Wasn’t worried anout payload or anything.
Now I’m soon upgrading frok a 22’ airstream to a 33’ 10k Airstream with 1000lb hitch weight.
I just don’t understand why they derate the truck when its capable of 12k?
With my 10k limit I’m at 2k payload.

Maybe because the 3500 SRW is 12,300 and has more capacity in the springs that are used?

Cheby 2500 is leaf sprung and available with GVWR up to 11,400.
Ferd will sell you a 10K GVWR derated leaf sprung F350.

That all seems more logical to me that claiming the 2500 with coils/locating bar is "more capable" than its pesky sticker just because it has axles rated higher.

I've heard the "coils are just as good, trains use them..." and agree - if they're rated for the load they are just as good. However, the fact remains that RAM currently only offers the coil sprung 2500 at a maximum rating of 10K GVWR.

I think it's better to ask, "Why doesn't RAM offer a 3500 derated to 10K GVWR to meet CDL and/or tag restrictions?"

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Maybe because the 3500 SRW is 12,300 and has more capacity in the springs that are used?

Cheby 2500 is leaf sprung and available with GVWR up to 11,400.
Ferd will sell you a 10K GVWR derated leaf sprung F350.

That all seems more logical to me that claiming the 2500 with coils/locating bar is "more capable" than its pesky sticker just because it has axles rated higher.

I've heard the "coils are just as good, trains use them..." and agree - if they're rated for the load they are just as good. However, the fact remains that RAM currently only offers the coil sprung 2500 at a maximum rating of 10K GVWR.

I think it's better to ask, "Why doesn't RAM offer a 3500 derated to 10K GVWR to meet CDL and/or tag restrictions?"

The coils are included in the 12k axle weight calculation… AAM rates the 11.5 axles at 11k each believe it or not

 

[JC16]

The coils are included in the 12k axle weight calculation… AAM rates the 11.5 axles at 11k each believe it or not

Hi, I have a 2022 Ram 3500 DRW.
What is the front & rear GAWR please?
I know it’s not 6k (front) & 9,750 ( rear) according to door jam decal.
Can’t find nothing on the AAM manufacturer website.
Thx in advance!!

 

[AH64ID]

I think it's better to ask, "Why doesn't RAM offer a 3500 derated to 10K GVWR to meet CDL and/or tag restrictions?"

Older thread, but Ram does offer a derated 3500 with a 10K GVWR on the SRW C&C platform.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Older thread, but Ram does offer a derated 3500 with a 10K GVWR on the SRW C&C platform.

Yes, I'm aware and it's been covered in many other threads, just didn't make it here at the time.

Thanks for pointing that out just the same.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Hi, I have a 2022 Ram 3500 DRW.
What is the front & rear GAWR please?
I know it’s not 6k (front) & 9,750 ( rear) according to door jam decal.
Can’t find nothing on the AAM manufacturer website.
Thx in advance!!

I dont have the numbers for you as i have never looked it up for the 3500 DRW sorry