2018 winch question

[beachbunny]

on my 18,i've got the warn 12000 # winch. it carries 7/16 cable. after lugging that around a few times,i'd like to switch to synthetic, warn says i cannot.
anyone have any input on this one?
cable gets heavy .
tia

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

on my 18,i've got the warn 12000 # winch. it carries 7/16 cable. after lugging that around a few times,i'd like to switch to synthetic, warn says i cannot.
anyone have any input on this one?
cable gets heavy .
tia

Did they give you a reason? There are lots of manufactures that make 12k synthetic line

 

[jkbrereton]

My 2019 has synthetic. And I switched to synthetic on my Jeep. You'll have to switch the fairlead out for a haws fairlead.

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[Rockcrawlindude]

Synthetic line is great. I switched to synthetic on my Toyota and my warn M12s has synthetic.

 

[el_barto]

My 2019 has synthetic. And I switched to synthetic on my Jeep. You'll have to switch the fairlead out for a haws fairlead.

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Roller fairleads are fine with synthetic (actually better, since they roll they don’t build up heat/abrade the synthetic line) HOWEVER you definitely need to replace the fairlead if it’s been used with steel cable because it may have burrs/rough surface. Also need to make sure the gaps between the rollers don’t allow the rope to get pinched.

I have the OEM hawse fairlead on my 2019, but am looking to replace it with a roller fairlead. If not pulling straight on, the rope wears against the fairlead substantially, and the powdercoat is pretty abrasive.

@OP, use either “the grabber” by bubba rope, or this knot to attach synthetic to the drum.

The Grabber

A safe and simpler way to attach a synthetic winch line to your winch drum. Fits all brands of winches.

www.bubbarope.com

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Roller fairleads are fine with synthetic (actually better, since they roll they don’t build up heat/abrade the synthetic line) HOWEVER you definitely need to replace the fairlead if it’s been used with steel cable because it may have burrs/rough surface. Also need to make sure the gaps between the rollers don’t allow the rope to get pinched.

I have the OEM hawse fairlead on my 2019, but am looking to replace it with a roller fairlead. If not pulling straight on, the rope wears against the fairlead substantially, and the powdercoat is pretty abrasive.

@OP, use either “the grabber” by bubba rope, or this knot to attach synthetic to the drum.

The Grabber

A safe and simpler way to attach a synthetic winch line to your winch drum. Fits all brands of winches.

www.bubbarope.com

All of this is true ^

you want to make sure the fairlead and the drum are free of burrs or jagged bits.

my Toyota is fitted with a warn that came with steel cable and a cast iron hawse fairlead (I loathe roller farleads)

The steel cable dug into the hawse fairlead a little bit but despite looking rough it it’s smooth to the touch. I can rub my fingers all over it and nothing is sharp or jagged. You want to make sure you aren’t going to shred your rope.

If your drum or fairlead are rough you can just sand them down

Here is a pic of the cast iron fairlead that has some wear from steel cable but is being used with synthetic line

 

[beachbunny]

Did they give you a reason? There are lots of manufactures that make 12k synthetic line

the fellow at warn mentioned attaching to drum but the diagram btsbarton added looks pretty straightforward

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

the fellow at warn mentioned attaching to drum but the diagram btsbarton added looks pretty straightforward

Most synthetic line i have seen has a steel tab where it can go where the original line secured

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Warn synthetic line has a eyelet loop on the drum end and you have to install a little knob and put the loop around the knob.

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

When I purchased replacement synthetic rope for my warn that came with steel cable that is fitted on my Toyota, I purchased from tactical recovery equipment.

their synthetic line had a steel thimble at the drum end and attached the same way as the steel cable it replaced as @H3LZSN1P3R mentioned.

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

To clarify, i assume the guy at warn was speaking about their spydura line which attaches, as I posted above, with a spliced rope eyelet.

Aftermarket synthetic lines I’ve seen attach with the thimble. They’re made to replace steel cable.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

When I purchased replacement synthetic rope for my warn that came with steel cable that is fitted on my Toyota, I purchased from tactical recovery equipment.

their synthetic line had a steel thimble at the drum end and attached the same way as the steel cable it replaced as @H3LZSN1P3R mentioned.

What do you loath about roller fairleads? I have had great luck with them... i have a hawse fairlead for my m8000 warn winch on my flat deck trailer though gonna try it out

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

What do you loath about roller fairleads? I have had great luck with them... i have a hawse fairlead for my m8000 warn winch on my flat deck trailer though gonna try it out

Mostly the fact that they can and do fail. Hawse fairleads cannot fail. Rollers are also huge compared to hawse. Parts that cannot fail > parts that fail

hang rollers off the front of your rock crawler and it only takes one hit and now you have a roller that doesn’t roll. Rollers also break.

here’s my buddy missing a whole roller, notice the bottom mount is bashed in (not his biggest issue at the time, though)

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Mostly the fact that they can and do fail. Hawse fairleads cannot fail. Rollers are also huge compared to hawse. Parts that cannot fail > parts that fail

hang rollers off the front of your rock crawler and it only takes one hit and now you have a roller that doesn’t roll. Rollers also break.

here’s my buddy missing a whole roller

Fair enough like i said i have been problem free on my older jeeps/ trucks i do like the lower profile of the hawse thats why i went with it for my trailer then i can pull the winch out of the reciever and stash it in the tool box...

 

[beachbunny]

so from what i can see from the feedback you all have given, grandpa can replace the heavy steel with synthetic, thanks men

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Research what size and length you should get. My 8000lb warn on my Toyota had 90ft of 5/16 steel cable and I bought 100ft of 3/8” synthetic line and I think that was a poor choice.

It fit on the drum but keep in mind I wound it perfectly. Unevenly wound I may have some issues.

YMMV

 

[beachbunny]

i.ve got 90" of 7/16 on a 12k winch and figured 100" of 3/8 would do it, at least dealer said that.
12k line for a 12k winch ok or should i get heavier ?

Research what size and length you should get. My 8000lb warn on my Toyota had 90ft of 5/16 steel cable and I bought 100ft of 3/8” synthetic line and I think that was a poor choice.

It fit on the drum but keep in mind I wound it perfectly. Unevenly wound I may have some issues.

YMMV

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

i.ve got 90" of 7/16 on a 12k winch and figured 100" of 3/8 would do it, at least dealer said that.
12k line for a 12k winch ok or should i get heavier ?

As long as you never exceed the rating on the lowest rated piece of equipment, you’ll be fine. I hesitate to tell someone what rating to buy for their application

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

i.ve got 90" of 7/16 on a 12k winch and figured 100" of 3/8 would do it, at least dealer said that.
12k line for a 12k winch ok or should i get heavier ?

I would do 85ft of 1/2 personally i can see it on amazon in that flavor i would never downsize going from steel to synthetic

 

[el_barto]

i.ve got 90" of 7/16 on a 12k winch and figured 100" of 3/8 would do it, at least dealer said that.
12k line for a 12k winch ok or should i get heavier ?

So the 2018 and earlier PW have what is labeled as a “M12000” winch, but people have found that it actually is an M15000 under the skin. 3/8” is sufficient, with a ~17.5k minimum tensile strength. I have 7/16” line which has a 21k MTS, which gives me a bit more breathing room/factor of safety.

7/16" ASR ENHANCED Winch Line (MTS 21,000 lbs)

ASR Offroad offers a variety of 4x4 accessories including synthetic winch ropes, tow straps, kinetic vehicle recovery straps and snatch blocks for 4x4’s, ATV’s and UTV’s.

www.asroffroad.com

I also run a short line, 65ft (~55ft useable), and carry and extension. Short line means i just pay it all out to get the most pulling power (last wrap on the drum), and I don’t have to worry about it stacking up on one side and getting pinched in the cross bars. It’s also easy to turn it into a 2:1 with the short main line and an extension