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Diesel/Gas justification banter?
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Trash Panda
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I understand that, thank you very much. Lol
What I never understood is why ppl need all the bells and whistles in a heavy duty truck...especially one that is actually used for work.
Sure, leather may be nice and a couple cameras are nice and yes of course you want it to wipe your dirty @$$ and maybe make you coffee but still....even if you're in the damn thing for 30k miles a year you don't need top of the line to have a really nice functional truck.
You asked for banter, so there's mine
Haha - in all seriousness, I don't see prices coming down substantially anytime soon. I think with COVID and recent economics the world has "ratcheted itself up" a level in terms of inflation. I don't see it going back to what some might refer to as "normal"...whatever that means.
IMHO...If you haul a lot of payload, just get a nice trimmed out large gas 3/4 or 1 ton. If you tow over 7500 daily or are carrying heavy payload over really rough terrain, go Diesel.
Sure, leather may be nice and a couple cameras are nice and yes of course you want it to wipe your dirty @$$ and maybe make you coffee but still....even if you're in the damn thing for 30k miles a year you don't need top of the line to have a really nice functional truck.
You asked for banter, so there's mine
Haha - in all seriousness, I don't see prices coming down substantially anytime soon. I think with COVID and recent economics the world has "ratcheted itself up" a level in terms of inflation. I don't see it going back to what some might refer to as "normal"...whatever that means.
IMHO...If you haul a lot of payload, just get a nice trimmed out large gas 3/4 or 1 ton. If you tow over 7500 daily or are carrying heavy payload over really rough terrain, go Diesel.
zsqure
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BUY WHAT YOU WANT AND DONT WORRY HOW MUCH SOME PPL WILL TELL YOU THE OTHER WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. F' EM!
Too much coffee this morning? Why are you yelling?
@Pressure_welder
No engine, gas or diesel “likes” idle time.
It’s harmful to both. The only difference is, the diesels have the compounded issue of the emissions / aftertreatment system which compounds the problem.
You can own a modern diesel and have no issues provided your operating habits are amended from what they were when you owned your older non-emissions engines. New generation emissions diesels need:
- Regular towing / hauling, or longer distance trips per month to keep emissions happy
- Idle time kept to an absolute minimum.
Shut. It. Off.
- Clean fuel, regular oil and filter changes based on how the truck is used
- Minimize short trips As much as possible
- Monitor emission system performance and learn how the system is supposed to function so that you can make better decisions on how to drive it, when to drive it, and what to look for when the emissions system starts showing signs of possible malfunctions.
- A thorough understanding of the emissions system and how it works (or is intended to work)
If your daily drive cycles are such that you do a ton of short trips, and don’t need to tow exceedingly heavy loads regularly, a 6.4 gas truck will likely be more fitting in your application and far less headaches.
If you require the pulling power that the Cummins brings to the table, then you have to concede that it can’t be used in the same manner that your old non emissions diesel was used. They don’t tolerate the same types of drive / duty cycles without having headaches.
I hope the body is included in that $130,000 quote for a new one, otherwise that would be one substantially expensive cab & chassis. Do you need the cab & chassis for bed / payload?
No engine, gas or diesel “likes” idle time.
It’s harmful to both. The only difference is, the diesels have the compounded issue of the emissions / aftertreatment system which compounds the problem.
You can own a modern diesel and have no issues provided your operating habits are amended from what they were when you owned your older non-emissions engines. New generation emissions diesels need:
- Regular towing / hauling, or longer distance trips per month to keep emissions happy
- Idle time kept to an absolute minimum.
Shut. It. Off.
- Clean fuel, regular oil and filter changes based on how the truck is used
- Minimize short trips As much as possible
- Monitor emission system performance and learn how the system is supposed to function so that you can make better decisions on how to drive it, when to drive it, and what to look for when the emissions system starts showing signs of possible malfunctions.
- A thorough understanding of the emissions system and how it works (or is intended to work)
If your daily drive cycles are such that you do a ton of short trips, and don’t need to tow exceedingly heavy loads regularly, a 6.4 gas truck will likely be more fitting in your application and far less headaches.
If you require the pulling power that the Cummins brings to the table, then you have to concede that it can’t be used in the same manner that your old non emissions diesel was used. They don’t tolerate the same types of drive / duty cycles without having headaches.
I hope the body is included in that $130,000 quote for a new one, otherwise that would be one substantially expensive cab & chassis. Do you need the cab & chassis for bed / payload?
100% incorrect. I have done exactly the opposite of what you said for years, except changing oil and filters following factory requirement. Drive it daily in short bursts and hardly ever tow. Trouble free emissions for years and years. What you said may happen rarely but are mostly myth and I and many others (majority of ram Cummins owners) are proof.
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I assure you he is not wrong.
Many 2019+ owners fight regen frequency issues, including myself, especially the 2022’s. Enough for Ram to put out regen frequency diagnostic instructions.
Don’t get me wrong, some trucks do better than others, but as a general rule of thumb mbarber84 is 100% correct.
I disagree, as does the OEM. If it really were a problem it would be changed as such or warranty claims would run them out of business. My dealership says they see no issues in the Cummins emissions vehicles, but do run into issues in the Duramax emissions vehicles. Also my performance diesel shops say the same. As well as all my family and friends who use theirs the same way have no issues. Now the older versions, like 2010-2018 that was a different story for sure.
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Would you mind sharing the name of that dealer and “performance diesel shops”?
I’d like to make sure I never end up bringing my truck to them, because they couldn’t be any more wrong.
Just because the small bubble of the world you live in doesn’t have those issues, doesn’t mean they aren’t widespread. Maybe read the regeneration frequency threads on this very forum to familiarize yourself with it.
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Can someone define short trips?? People keep saying "short trips" are bad, is that like a 2 mile round trip? 5 miles a day??
I drive 15 min to work one way each day - 20 miles a day roughly. So far....knock on wood any CEL or warning messages have been kept at bay.
Also, if I am going to be idling for any period of time, like over 5 minutes I set the high idle.
Yes, I know that doesnt mean idle over night LOL
Idle-Up Feature
The driver-controlled high idle speed feature will help
increase cylinder temperatures and provide additional
cab heat, however, excessive idling may still cause
the exhaust aftertreatment system to not properly
regenerate. Extended periods of idle time should be
avoided.
The Idle-Up feature uses the Cruise Control buttons
to increase engine idle speed and quickly warm the
vehicle's interior.
I drive 15 min to work one way each day - 20 miles a day roughly. So far....knock on wood any CEL or warning messages have been kept at bay.
Also, if I am going to be idling for any period of time, like over 5 minutes I set the high idle.
Yes, I know that doesnt mean idle over night LOL
Idle-Up Feature
The driver-controlled high idle speed feature will help
increase cylinder temperatures and provide additional
cab heat, however, excessive idling may still cause
the exhaust aftertreatment system to not properly
regenerate. Extended periods of idle time should be
avoided.
The Idle-Up feature uses the Cruise Control buttons
to increase engine idle speed and quickly warm the
vehicle's interior.
Ritchie_Rich
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My Cummins truck OEM owners manual specifically states “avoid prolonged idling”.
Already have. No need to read again.
Ya your sheet says “some” DPF failures. Sounds like a lot lol.
For me, here is what it means. I drive 8 mins to work and 8 mins back home from work three times a day five days a week minimum top speed of 45mph but mostly through town stop and go. Typically many other short runs to other stops like it. During winter months, much of the time I let my truck idle for 40 minutes at a time during lunch every day. Basically I treat it like a gas truck. Been doing this for 20 years now. Not one issue yet with emissions across all trucks outside of an L5P Duramax I had that was self induced LOL.
But it sounds like I’m the only guy in the world to have no issues according to some guys in here lol.
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So you think all those examples are of people lying or?
A DPF does not need to be failed in order for a truck to have regeneration issues.
No I’m not saying all those people are lying. But I am saying the amount of people in there with issues are so low compared to the amount of Cummins with emission equipped trucks on the road that it is a fairly moot point based off sheer numbers.
Are you saying I’m lying in my experience and those others I shared?
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I’m not.
I’m just saying that your experience is contradictory to the opinions and experiences of a large number of owners of these trucks, as well as the owners manual from the OEM (the one that you incorrectly claimed said otherwise).
There is a large collection of evidence that refutes your simple “well I think this” claim.
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The OEM would be silly, legally to not put a get out of jail free clause in there. All OEM’s do that.
There is a small collection of evidence actually. That thread you mentioned has 102 people on it with issues. You realize from 2019-2025 ram produced like 3 million trucks. Even if it were 10% having issues (300,000 trucks) it’s still a very small potatoes pool of people which means it isn’t the normal experience.