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2025-2027 Cummins R&P Ratios

PyroJoe

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I'm creating this thread so we can stay updated on the ring and pinion offerings for 2025+ Cummins trucks.
As of Jan 2026, we are still stuck with only 3.42 as a factory option. The guys with the AAM 1150 have it a lot better because that axle's been around for over 25 years with tons of aftermarket support.
Us dually 12" AAM owners are up against a wall. There are 3.73 and 4.10 OEM options for them, but just the R&P costs $1100 alone. You still have to add the setup kit on top. And the front axle! And labor!
***Edit: Here are the most economical current R&P sets we've found:
3.73
4.10
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I plan to regear my 2025 DRW Cummins to 3.73 for my 35's as soon as it's economically feasible. Right now, my gear shop has given me a quote of $4k.
I wish RAM would pull their heads out of their butts and give us more factory options. For a 19-24 truck, it was less than $200 to upgrade to 4.10's
I had already planned my whole truck build before I ordered and wanted the deeper gears for my 35's. But of course, they had to drop gear options in 2025...:mad:

And the other point I'd like to make is that with the announcement of the 2027 Cummins Power Wagon yesterday, we now know that the 5th gen is in fact not going to come for 2027 :(

But, now that we know that even with a "big tire" Power Wagon off-road-purposed Cummins still only being offered with the pathetic 3.42's, I have to ask- Is there different transmission tuning for different trim levels and their different tire diameters? The Limited's has 33.5" tires vs the dually with 31.8" tires. Apparently the 2027 Power Wagon is getting the same height tire as the Limited and yet they're STILLLLLLL stuck with 3.42's!

For those new to the world of R&P ratios, here is why it is important. I recently changed my 2025 Cummins DRW from the stock 31.8" to a 34.6" tire, and the difference is just as horrifying as I imagined. Significant loss of power and braking. And now it downshifts like crazy. I drove it stock from Nebraska to Vegas thru the MOUNTAINS on a 107°F day at 80-85mph with my 4k lb trailer and it would only drop from 8th to 7th if I was really stepping on it. Now in Nebraska 40°F outside with same trailer it drops out of 8th for every little hill. I had dealership recalibrate the gauge cluster for tire size, but they didn't mention any transmission tuning changes. It definitely operates better since getting the speedo recalibrated, but it still sucks compared to stock.

I can't imagine shelling out $80-100k for one of these 27 PW's to get the lack of performance my dually now has. They're absolutely shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of R&P options on these.

One last thought - they need to offer a driving mode that allows you to start in 1st gear when NOT in tow/haul mode. The only way to do this right now is to manually shift down into 1, then you have manually turn manual mode off. It is not feasible in the slightest sense. I wonder if the 27 PW will have this mode. With stock 31.8" tires, I never ever wanted 1st gear unless I was towing or creeping thru a traffic jam. With the 34.6" tires, I now prefer 1st gear for daily driving. The furds have all sorts of drive modes like sport/eco/towing/wet etc. I wish we could have something like that which would enable a 1st gear start-out.

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I’m 100% with you on this. Correct gearing is absolutely critical, and RAM seems to be pretending tire diameter changes don’t materially affect drivability - when in reality it’s one of the biggest levers on how these trucks behave.
What you’re describing lines up perfectly with the math. Jumping from a ~31.8" tire to ~34.5–35" effectively turns those already tall 3.42s into something closer to the low 3.1s, and you feel that everywhere:
  • softer launch
  • reduced engine braking
  • more frequent downshift
  • higher EGT/load for the same work

The transmission isn’t “broken” - it’s doing exactly what it has to do to keep the engine in a usable RPM band. The speedo recalibration helps shift logic a little, but it doesn’t change the fundamental mechanical disadvantage you’ve introduced with taller tires and the same R&P.

Your comparison between stock behavior (8th holding through mountain grades at speed) vs post-tire change behavior is exactly what I’ve seen as well. That’s not subjective - it’s physics. And it really drives home how ridiculous it is that RAM is willing to sell:
  • a Cummins
  • marketed as off-road capable (Power Wagon)
  • on larger tires
  • with the same 3.42 gearing

That combo makes zero sense.
The lack of factory R&P options post-2024 is especially frustrating given how cheap it used to be. Spending ~$200 at order time vs $4k+ aftermarket (rear + front + labor) is night and day. For DRW/AAM 12" owners, it’s even worse due to limited aftermarket support compared to the 1150 crowd.
I also think you’re asking the right question about transmission tuning. If RAM is going to insist on 3.42s across wildly different tire diameters, then at minimum there should be:
  • different shift schedules by tire size/trim
  • or a true drive mode that allows 1st-gear starts outside of tow/haul
Like you said, manually forcing 1st every time is not a real solution. With taller tires, 1st becomes the “new normal” for daily driving, and the truck clearly wants it - but the software won’t let you have it cleanly.

Bottom line: RAM is absolutely shooting themselves in the foot here. Anyone who understands gearing and tire diameter can see the problem immediately, and it’s hard to justify six-figure pricing when the drivetrain is boxed into a ratio that only works well with stock-ish tires.
Hopefully enough noise gets made that they either bring back factory gear options or at least give us meaningful transmission/drive-mode control. Right now, the hardware is capable—the configuration choices aren’t.
 
100% agree on the need for factory gearing options.

In your situation, why not look for good used axles with the right gears given the cost to re-gear?
 
100% agree on the need for factory gearing options.

In your situation, why not look for good used axles with the right gears given the cost to re-gear?
Simply because I went thru all the work to break my rear end in properly, and you have no idea what you're getting when you snag a wrecked truck's axle. Also, I did look, and they are not cheap!
I'd rather just wait for an affordable R&P set. And maybe I just trade the truck for a 5th gen if they have enough improvements...
 
Yep the 3.42 gears are garbage and they should have kept the 3.73 as the base gear set as these are not highway trucks they are ment to work.
 
You can buy oem AAM 12" gear sets for much less than $1100.


I have bought gears from them when I did my ratio swap, they have the best prices on aam parts that I have found online
Awesome! That's exactly why I made this thread, so we can help keep each other informed on what's out there. I did find that exact link back around April, but they only have 4.10's. The 3.73's were non-existent.

Torqueking did not have anything back then. But searching now, they do have 3.73 listed. Still rich for my blood tho.

 
Yep the 3.42 gears are garbage and they should have kept the 3.73 as the base gear set as these are not highway trucks they are ment to work.
For the SRW, I would most definitely agree. I didn't mind the 3.42 on my short dually tires, but I only tow super heavy from farm to farm at gravel road speeds. 3.73 + 35's would give me the same ratio.

If I was hot shotting, I'm sure I'd want 3.54 or 3.73 depending on the conditions. Are you in a 25+ yet @H3LZSN1P3R ? Curious on your impressions if you are.
 
I looked long and hard before I bought my truck, 4:10 gear was a must for me. Sad that they don’t offer it anymore but if you want it now, you are going to pay. Nothing is cheap and easy. My advice would be to skip the 3.73 and go right to 4.10. My 17 had 3.42, my 01 has 3.55. Both of those ratios required planning when towing/hauling heavy. It was always doable but I have found much relief with the 21 with 4.10. If I had it to do over, I probably would have bought a 4500/5500 for its advantages.
 
For the SRW, I would most definitely agree. I didn't mind the 3.42 on my short dually tires, but I only tow super heavy from farm to farm at gravel road speeds. 3.73 + 35's would give me the same ratio.

If I was hot shotting, I'm sure I'd want 3.54 or 3.73 depending on the conditions. Are you in a 25+ yet @H3LZSN1P3R ? Curious on your impressions if you are.
No im in my 19 still, I likely wont be making a jump on a new truck for another 3-4 years aslong as the 19 holds up as well as it has been
 
Awesome! That's exactly why I made this thread, so we can help keep each other informed on what's out there. I did find that exact link back around April, but they only have 4.10's. The 3.73's were non-existent.

Torqueking did not have anything back then. But searching now, they do have 3.73 listed. Still rich for my blood tho.

Have you sent them an email to see if they could get a set of 3.73's if that's what you need? They responded quickly when I had a question about a product.
 
Have you sent them an email to see if they could get a set of 3.73's if that's what you need? They responded quickly when I had a question about a product.
No, because I'm not going to shell out that kind of coin on something that should have been a <$200 option from the factory to begin with. I'm holding out to see what the 5th gens will offer. In all seriousness, it could end up being cheaper for me to trade in than to get a regear at this point. I'm updating the first post to include the most updated R&P sets BTW.
 
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