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New Ram HDs in 2027 or 2028

IPASooner

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Given the refresh in 2025, when do you guys think we will see a true new Ram HD, 2027 or 2028? I am talking bringing the half ton cabs to the HDs and doing a more comprehensive redesign. Personally would love to see some of the following updates:

Updates for 6.4 gasser
Increased power for Cummins
Pano sunroof with new cab
Power Wagon/Rebel Improvements: at least 35s from factory, more armor/recovery options, etc.


Def want to hang onto my 2021 for a while but curious if anyone has any insights they can share.
 
IPASooner said:
Given the refresh in 2025, when do you guys think we will see a true new Ram HD, 2027 or 2028? I am talking bringing the half ton cabs to the HDs and doing a more comprehensive redesign. Personally would love to see some of the following updates:

Updates for 6.4 gasser
Increased power for Cummins
Pano sunroof with new cab
Power Wagon/Rebel Improvements: at least 35s from factory, more armor/recovery options, etc.


Def want to hang onto my 2021 for a while but curious if anyone has any insights they can share.
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I would rather see more reliability and depebiliy than more HP / torque. All more torque and HP does is add more stronger parts to handle the extra power, such as upgraded axles, transmission, brakes and cooling systems just adds more weight and hurts reliability.
 
ram needs to make some big moves real soon. As is, in the power department they are behind and I believe the new super duty is rumored for 2028.
 
I'm happy the powertrain and mechanicals. The trucks have more than enough power and speed to do what 99% of owners want or need to do. If they're gonna do anything in that department, a focus on reliability and efficiency would be best.

The next model will have to be focused on a new chassis, cab, and bed... and probably a bunch of new tech. A HUD would be nice. I envision a bunch of marketing material with the words "high strength steel" and "aircraft grade aluminum"

The real question is if they bring a version of 5th gen 1500 cab, which will be a decade old, or something completely new. I'd be most excited about a new bed, personally.

Bet ya a dollar they go with independent front suspension too, which will annoy the hell out of some folks.
 
RockaRhyme said:
Bet ya a dollar they go with independent front suspension too, which will annoy the hell out of some folks.
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It'll be really sad that my aftermarket suspension goodies only cover a 15 year span of trucks.
 
regal2800 said:
ram needs to make some big moves real soon. As is, in the power department they are behind and I believe the new super duty is rumored for 2028.
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In a earlier post I mentioned that I would rather they make these trucks more dependable and reliable than worrying about more HP and touque.
These trucks have way more power than what most are legal to pull.
More torque means larger axles, larger brakes, more robust transmission heavier frame, a prescription for more issues.
 
Xflight29 said:
In a earlier post I mentioned that I would rather they make these trucks more dependable and reliable than worrying about more HP and touque.
These trucks have way more power than what most are legal to pull.
More torque means larger axles, larger brakes, more robust transmission heavier frame, a prescription for more issues.
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I think the engine revision has set the stage for additional power. The transmission and axles are already there. There's only so much J2807 tow rating you can get within Class-III GVWR so I don't see the need to revise chassis/brakes to add power.

Ford is at 500/1200. Ram needs to close the gap or grab one of those specs for marketing purposes, even if it is done along with heavy thermal management inside the calibration to keep things from getting out of hand (as Ford does.)
 
johnmyster said:
I think the engine revision has set the stage for additional power. The transmission and axles are already there. There's only so much J2807 tow rating you can get within Class-III GVWR so I don't see the need to revise chassis/brakes to add power.

Ford is at 500/1200. Ram needs to close the gap or grab one of those specs for marketing purposes, even if it is done along with heavy thermal management inside the calibration to keep things from getting out of hand (as Ford does.)
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Ford Powerstroke V8 are designed to deliver peak power higher in the RPM range., resulting in higher overall horsepower. While Rams Cummins engines provide excellent LOW end Touque to get you going faster than Ford and GMC V8s.
Like the old saying goes, 6 in a row made to tow 8 in a V sit down to pee.
 
Xflight29 said:
Ford Powerstroke V8 are designed to deliver peak power higher in the RPM range., resulting in higher overall horsepower. While Rams Cummins engines provide excellent LOW end Touque to get you going faster than Ford and GMC V8s.
Like the old saying goes, 6 in a row made to tow 8 in a V sit down to pee.
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Powerstroke making 1200 ft lb at 1600 rpm. I don’t know about you but doesn’t take me much time to get to 1600 rpm.

Ram making 1075 at 1800 rpm. So you’re definitely right. More torque down lower. Oh wait, thats the powerstroke.
 
johnmyster said:
Powerstroke making 1200 ft lb at 1600 rpm. I don’t know about you but doesn’t take me much time to get to 1600 rpm.

Ram making 1075 at 1800 rpm. So you’re definitely right. More torque down lower. Oh wait, thats the powerstroke
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Ford HD with the Powerstroke holds the CROWN for most ever recalled truck. Enough said.
 
Xflight29 said:
Ford HD with the Powerstroke holds the CROWN for most ever recalled truck. Enough said.
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Well, it has the power torque to get back to the dealer faster than the present Ram. Guess I disproved that torque curve theory so now we're turning to something else.

Notable recalls on 4th gen rams:
67a, ABS unit, drag link, track bar frame mount, water pump, CP4, side curtain airbags, etc. Ram avoiding recall of the CGI block roller lifter nonsense, grid heaters, etc.
 
The Ford looks good on paper for sure but the Duramax's are still faster and make less power than both of us. This new Cummins and trans setup is plenty fast and doesn't leave me wanting.

Also, price yourself a Ram and a similar Ford. Now look what you can actually get those trucks for. Ford can't touch the pricing you can get from a Ram from the big dealers(Koons, Mark, Granger etc).
 
johnmyster said:
Well, it has the power torque to get back to the dealer faster than the present Ram. Guess I disproved that torque curve theory so now we're turning to something else.

Notable recalls on 4th gen rams:
67a, ABS unit, drag link, track bar frame mount, water pump, CP4, side curtain airbags, etc. Ram avoiding recall of the CGI block roller lifter nonsense, grid heaters, etc.
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johnmyster said:
Well, it has the power torque to get back to the dealer faster than the present Ram. Guess I disproved that torque curve theory so now we're turning to something else.

Notable recalls on 4th gen rams:
67a, ABS unit, drag link, track bar frame mount, water pump, CP4, side curtain airbags, etc. Ram avoiding recall of the CGI block roller lifter nonsense, grid heaters, etc.
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You didn't disclaim anything, the Cummins with the in-line 6 configuration provides a more consistent torque delivery across the engines powerband compared to either the Powerstroke or the Duramax. I must ask, why don't you own a Ford. You sound like their biggest fan. the reason for the reply on Ford having the most recalls of ANY HD truck is due to them more interested in numbers than making a reliable engine.
 
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Xflight29 said:
You didn't disclaim anything, the Cummins with the in-line 6 configuration provides a more consistent torque delivery across the engines powerband compared to either the Powerstroke or the Duramax. I must ask, why don't you own a Ford. You sound like their biggest fan. the reason for the reply on Ford having the most recalls of ANY HD truck is due to them more interested in numbers than making a reliable engine.
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My point was that the updated 6.7 platform sets the stage for further increases.

Then you had some untrue point about how the current 6.7 makes more torque down low. So I'm just ragging you for the fun of it now.

My slow truck pulls our camper just fine. In 6 or eight years I'll see what various used 2025 trucks are going for and go from there. When I bought my megacab I was mostly test driving 2015/2016 fords. That was a 440 hp truck and cummins hasn't gotten there yet, which is true.

What's that about the cummins being more consistent across the powerband? Here's a random graph from the interwebz. Looks like the 25 cummins makes 900 ft*lb at wheel across a range from 1800 to 2350. Ford makes that from 1650 to 2600. I'd say that's more consistent.

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johnmyster said:
My point was that the updated 6.7 platform sets the stage for further increases.

Then you had some untrue point about how the current 6.7 makes more torque down low. So I'm just ragging you for the fun of it now.

My slow truck pulls our camper just fine. In 6 or eight years I'll see what various used 2025 trucks are going for and go from there. When I bought my megacab I was mostly test driving 2015/2016 fords. That was a 440 hp truck and cummins hasn't gotten there yet, which is true.

What's that about the cummins being more consistent across the powerband? Here's a random graph from the interwebz. Looks like the 25 cummins makes 900 ft*lb at wheel across a range from 1800 to 2350. Ford makes that from 1650 to 2600. I'd say that's more consistent.

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Well hell I stand corrected. My bad. thanks
 
Things that I would like to see a focus on in the 26 / 27s:
- Improved resilience to the environment, such as water depth, thermal insulation, interior resistance to mud and water.
- Possibly the cummins octane engine as an option to get the benefits of a turbo for over 5000 ft elevation use.
- More electrical power than is currently being offered with dual alternators and easier tap in points - similar to what Ford does on the Transit.
- Megacab plus rambox combo offered on more models and more common
- More camera views around the truck and under it to see obstacles - showing up on the screen while driving instead of having to add stuff. I don't purposely "off road", but still there are times when I am on unpaved roads and there can be roots and rocks. Post earthquakes and storms, there is debris, even in town.
- Full size bed with a megacab would be nice, but I don't think this will happen.
- I would just as soon ditch the moon roof completely and gain the head space. I never open those - it is already 110 F here, the last thing that I want is more sun on my head.
 
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