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There is only one option as previously rumored. The HO is gone. The base engine is 430/1075 mated to a ZF Powerline with a column shifter. Grid heater is gone, replaced by glow plugs. Topside oil canister housing and both primary and secondary fuel canisters/filters mounted on the engine. There's a new combo DOC/SCR and EGR system.

Also think we’ll see :

Externally accessible fuel injectors (outside of the valve cover)
New 10 blade Holset turbocharger
Completely different intake side
New HPFP (that doesn’t look like a CP3)
And I am fairly certain the CGI block has been abandoned and they’re back to grey iron. (Or at least the casting design is different than 19-24)
 
How does the equipment group pricing work? I.e., the 3500 Big Horn shows $1,995 for Level 1, $2,695 for Level 1 Plus, $2,995 for Level 2, and $5,195 for Level 2 Plus.
If I want Level 2 Plus is it $5,195 total or do I have to include the price for any of the other levels?
Just the one price, here's how it looks in ordering software, you click ONE box and it will block out the others:
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Damn I missed the party!?!? I didn’t know we were letting the cat out of the bag.

You can also add:

Externally accessible fuel injectors (they’re on the outside of the valve cover now)
New 10 blade holset turbocharger
Completely different intake side
New HPFP (that doesn’t look like a CP3)
And I am fairly certain the CGI block has been abandoned and they’re back to grey iron. (Or at least the casting design is different than 19-24)
Hopefully they did not get rid of the CGI block!
 
Hopefully they did not get rid of the CGI block!
Why not? That was a completely unnecessary “upgrade” and by the time they were done with carving it all out for weight reduction, I have serious reservations about the longterm durability of that block over traditional heavier grey iron. In fact, Ram already had initial issues with spinning bearings on these during cold starts, as well as signs of fretting on the main’s where previously this wasn’t an issue. If it is indeed gone, I think it was a move in the right direction. Now if we could have gotten them to go back to flat tappet, that would have been a bonus but unfortunately that’s not happening.
 
The electronic nannies are likely due to .Gov safety regulations, similar to how back up cameras became required on all vehicles a few years back.
The safety feature additions are because everyone else offers those and they’re playing catch-up. My $30k 2017 VW could do lane centering and read traffic signs, detect a drowsy driver, and stop if a pedestrian walked out in front. A $60-120k vehicle in 2025 should be able to do that too.
 
I'm also pretty sure GVWR is going up on the 2500, since they all show a no cost option (Z7L) for 10k # GVWR. Even the PW shows that option, though again, it could be a red herring.
I was SO hopeful the GVWR would be A LOT higher than 10k on the 2025 2500s... BUT the standard equipment listings show the new GVWR is a pitiful 10190 lbs for both crew cab and mega cab.

Really Ram?!?! A measly 190 lbs more?!?! :mad:

2500 Crew cab
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2500 Mega cab
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I'll leave the REAL technical gear-related stuff to the pro's with the much higher post counts LOL.
But will try to throw up a few cheats like these over the next few weeks.
Feel free to check my work I take no offense!

UCONNECT SIZETradesmanBighornLaramiePowerwagonLonghorn/Limited
Standard8.4"8.4"12"12"14.5"
Level 112"8.4"12"12"14.5"
Level 1 Plus 12"12"
Level 212"12"14.5"14.5"
Level 2 Plus 12"14.5"
SpeakersTradesmanBighornLaramiePowerwagonLonghorn/Limited
Standard6 Speaker6 Speaker9 Alpine6 Speaker17 Harman
Level 16 Speaker6 Speaker9 Alpine9 Alpine17 Harman
Level 1 Plus 9 Alpine9 Alpine
Level 26 Speaker9 Alpine17 Harman17 Harman
Level 2 Plus 9 Alpine17 Harman
 
I was SO hopeful the GVWR would be A LOT higher than 10k on the 2025 2500s... BUT the standard equipment listings show the new GVWR is a pitiful 10190 lbs for both crew cab and mega cab.

Really Ram?!?! A measly 190 lbs more?!?! :mad:

2500 Crew cab
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2500 Mega cab
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Interesting. I’m just guessing here, but that makes me think that now that it’s past the 10k registration magic number that there’s something physical about the 2500 they feel limits the capacity. Either that or they’re trying not to eat into 3500 sales, especially now that there isn’t an engine that’s only limited to the 3500.
 
Just the one price, here's how it looks in ordering software, you click ONE box and it will block out the others:
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If I'm reading this right then the MSRP of a 2025 Level 2 Plus Big Horn is significantly less that a comparatively equipped 2024.
The base MSRP of a 2024 and 2025 4WD 3500 Crew Cab Long Bed are the same at $56,645.
To get a 2024 comparatively equipped to a 2025 Level 2 Plus you need to add:
Level 2 Equipment Group: $2,795
Tech Package: $3,095
Safety Group: $2,610
Bed Utility Group: $845
Premium Cloth Bucket Seats: $295

Totals to $9,640 for the 2024 vs $5,195 for the 2025 so the difference would be $4,445. That is why I was questioning if any other options are required for the Level 2 Plus.
 
Here's what the gearset should look like for the Cummins/ZF on both the Dually stock tire and Limited stock tire:

To be clear, the standard axle ration is 3.73 for gas trucks. The 3.42 is standard in the Cummins as I read the order charts.

Haven't seen where the "max tow" gear set is specified.


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So if I’m reading the guide correctly (which may not be the case), the 4.10 axle is not available on the diesel:

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“N/A w/ETM” meaning not available with sales code ETM which is the diesel.

It’s interesting that the “max tow” package makes no mention of any axle ratio.

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The 3.73 axle ratio (DME) is only listed once in the entire document and is listed under the “standard” equipment. Whereas the 3.42 is listed as the axle ratio that falls under the diesel (ETM) sales code. The way I’m reading it, I would concur that the 3.73 is now the standard axle for the 6.4 gas and the only axle ratio you get with the diesel is 3.42
 
So if I’m reading the guide correctly (which may not be the case), the 4.10 axle is not available on the diesel:

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“N/A w/ETM” meaning not available with sales code ETM which is the diesel.

It’s interesting that the “max tow” package makes no mention of any axle ratio.

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The 3.73 axle ratio (DME) is only listed once in the entire document and is listed under the “standard” equipment. Whereas the 3.42 is listed as the axle ratio that falls under the diesel (ETM) sales code. The way I’m reading it, I would concur that the 3.73 is now the standard axle for the 6.4 gas and the only axle ratio you get with the diesel is 3.42
That's stupid, I know the new trans has more ratios in the first 5 gears (6th is 1:1 and 7th and 8th are pretty much the same as the current aisin 5th and 6th ratio. I see no reason why they went back to 3.42's, my 18 3500 was so doggy with that ratio
 
Here's what the gearset should look like for the Cummins/ZF on both the Dually stock tire and Limited stock tire:

To be clear, the standard axle ration is 3.73 for gas trucks. The 3.42 is standard in the Cummins as I read the order charts.

Haven't seen where the "max tow" gear set is specified.


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Now what about the ZF with the 3.73 in the SRW config. I think the lower rear set will be just as bad as the 4th gens unless you lock out 8th
 
That's stupid, I know the new trans has more ratios in the first 5 gears (6th is 1:1 and 7th and 8th are pretty much the same as the current aisin 5th and 6th ratio. I see no reason why they went back to 3.42's, my 18 3500 was so doggy with that ratio
I agree completely. I’m hoping I read the document wrong, or there’s information missing. My last two HO trucks with the 3.73 were absolute perfection.
 
If I'm reading this right then the MSRP of a 2025 Level 2 Plus Big Horn is significantly less that a comparatively equipped 2024.
The base MSRP of a 2024 and 2025 4WD 3500 Crew Cab Long Bed are the same at $56,645.
To get a 2024 comparatively equipped to a 2025 Level 2 Plus you need to add:
Level 2 Equipment Group: $2,795
Tech Package: $3,095
Safety Group: $2,610
Bed Utility Group: $845
Premium Cloth Bucket Seats: $295

Totals to $9,640 for the 2024 vs $5,195 for the 2025 so the difference would be $4,445. That is why I was questioning if any other options are required for the Level 2 Plus.

Its absolutely possible that there is an overall price break on certain configs. The Grand Cherokee and Wagoneers for 2025 had base MSRP decreases. Ram HDs and Jeep GCs had MSRP decreases inside the model year 2024. 2025 Ram 1500s had price increases that were in most cases equal to their previous years options (like your example). Will also take some time to go line by line and ensure that we got EVEYRTHING in those packages you are crossing off - that will take some scattegories style elimination games. which I enjoy doing,!
 
There is only one option as previously rumored. The HO is gone. The base engine is 430/1075 mated to a ZF Powerline with a column shifter. Grid heater is gone, replaced by glow plugs. Topside oil canister housing and both primary and secondary fuel canisters/filters mounted on the engine. There's a new combo DOC/SCR and EGR system.
The SO is gone, only HO now from what I have read ?
 
Is the 3500 auto level rear suspension now only available on the Laramie and Limited?
 
It's in the Max Tow package. All the contents priced seperate added up it is cheaper than 2024.
 
There is only one option as previously rumored. The HO is gone. The base engine is 430/1075 mated to a ZF Powerline with a column shifter. Grid heater is gone, replaced by glow plugs. Topside oil canister housing and both primary and secondary fuel canisters/filters mounted on the engine. There's a new combo DOC/SCR and EGR system.
One engine option is nice except worse fuel economy being stuck with HO.
Grid heater to glow plugs, slight negative.
Oil canister and fuel filters in the engine sound like a joke, plugging up more room in the compartment, I’ll keep my 89-24 fleetgaurd filter.

Hopefully the new emissions system is better than the last one! That might be the biggest plus…

Column shifter sounds great too.

All the standard safety features can F off.

I’m still glad I ordered a 24.
 
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