Automatic Regen too often

[F3arl3sslimited]

And yet the one of the biggest reasons I use Archoil is for the lubricant properties. But it can not be far fected to believed that it may be helping others because of the difference in quality of fuels in the area. Lake Speed Jr. even stated this is multiple videos. In his video about oil additives he stated they shouldn't be used while he does recommend fuel additives due to the lack of consistency with fuel refineries.

 

[John Jensen]

Update, I just did a trip through the Rockies of a little over 1000 miles running empty. Speeds 50-80 with also getting stuck in a couple of traffic jams. I was crawling along for combined over two hours. Mostly two lane mountain roads. When I left, my DPF gage started at about 12% and dropped to zero within the first 50 miles. It stayed there for the next two days and still at zero when I got an automatic regen notice. I had to stop within 15 minutes and when I restarted the truck, the notice was gone and my DPF gage was still reading zero. I added an ounce of Archoil 6500 per gallon as I made fuel stops. The gage never came off zero for the remainder of the trip. I'm amazed at the completely different action of the DPF readings since starting the Archoil treatment. I'm going to continue the 6500 through this bottle. I may lay off of it when it is used up and see if the frequent DPF gens symptoms come back. For now, I feel like the system is working like new. Amazing!

I annually make a 1900+ mile trip (similar to your 1000+ mile trip), at 60-80, mph, stop and go traffic congestions, all on freeways and open highways. My 2020 HO gauge has never come off zero and does the 24 hour regen. The only difference is I don't use Archoil. Is it only the 2022s that are having the frequent regen problem? What year is yours?

 

[Deltron]

Owners that are having "Frequent Regen Issues" on this thread are trying to solve for something that you are not experiencing. Your experience with Archoil is irrelevant since your use case does not fit within the stated issue of this thread. 800+ mile regens should not be considered frequent. I want everyone to understand this as it confuses the knowledge base being built on this thread when you start throwing products (which you still haven't stated which Archoil product you used) under the bus for not addressing an issue you weren't experiencing.

I VERY CLEARLY stated what I did. Various members immediately jumped on me saying it wasn't true with 24 hour nonsense and such.

Once again, I CLEARLY posted the results of two different identical trips and the results. Now, members like you equating it to other scenarios is YOUR problem, not mine.

Reread my post.

 

[TomTom]

I VERY CLEARLY stated what I did. Various members immediately jumped on me saying it wasn't true with 24 hour nonsense and such.

Once again, I CLEARLY posted the results of two different identical trips and the results. Now, members like you equating it to other scenarios is YOUR problem, not mine.

Reread my post.

My point is you are misusing this thread. This thread is all about frequent regen issues. Please read the title. You are not experiencing frequent regens and therefore your experience in trying to use a product to solve a problem you aren’t having is irrelevant and confusing to people who come here to solve the specific issue of frequent Regens.

Please find another place to talk about your feelings on the relative cost of lubricants.

 

[John Jensen]

I VERY CLEARLY stated what I did. Various members immediately jumped on me saying it wasn't true with 24 hour nonsense and such.

Once again, I CLEARLY posted the results of two different identical trips and the results. Now, members like you equating it to other scenarios is YOUR problem, not mine.

Reread my post.

I think we are wasting our time trying to explain it to someone who has a rebuttal no matter what we say.

 

[TomTom]

I think we are wasting our time trying to explain it to someone who has a rebuttal no matter what we say.

What a weird way of saying “we were wrong“

 

[John Jensen]

What a weird way of saying “we were wrong “

You make my case. I'm done, probably will not dialog with you ever again. Cheers!

 

[Deltron]

My point is you are misusing this thread. This thread is all about frequent regen issues. Please read the title. You are not experiencing frequent regens and therefore your experience in trying to use a product to solve a problem you aren’t having is irrelevant and confusing to people who come here to solve the specific issue of frequent Regens.

Please find another place to talk about your feelings on the relative cost of lubricants.

I had frequent regens. It was a serious problem. Instead of trying to address it out of a bottle I stayed on top of it until the actual problems were fixed.

It would certainly serve members much better to post what others have had repaired so members can look at possible reasons why their trucks are doing frequent regens and repair them versus dumping a few ounces of fluid into their tanks thinking it fixes the issue.

Of course being an engineer I tend to find out the root cause of why my vehicles have problems and fix them.

In my case it appears, and I posted it, frequent regens were due to a faulty MAF sensor outputting incorrect parameters along with what may well have been a cracked DPF. The MAF may have contributed to the DPF failure plugging up but there was soot in the tailpipe which leads me to believe there was a crack or other fault in the DPF allowing some soot to pass through. Y43 hadn't been performed yet so there was no particulate matter sensor to indicate any issues.

Erroneous output from the IAT sensor or the MAP sensor on the engine could also lead to frequent regens. Incorrect fuel rail pressure or a leaking injector too. A faulty differential pressure sensor could also do this. Rarely, except on high mileage engines, oil getting past the rings or valve guides can cause it. Turbo shaft seal leaking is also possible. I've heard the AA air filters may cause this. I've looked at both the AA and AB and can't believe a clean AA filter causes regens but an AB with say 15k miles and dirty doesn't.

Too frequent regens is the symptom of a mechanical issue.

AlfaOBD is pretty handy used properly along with one of the Autel units such as the MS908II. They can help if your dealer claims there's no problems with data logging abilities. If your dealer can't do anything, dig out a few dollars and take it too a reputable independent shop if you think there's a problem with regen frequency.

I've been forced into replying to things that had nothing to do with my original post. The data is there, take it or leave it, I really don't care.

Fix the truck rather than masking issues. Would you mask faulty spark plugs or wires by buying a higher voltage coil or would you replace the plugs? The new coil may fix the problem for a bit and you'll swear it works, which it did, but it didn't fix anything.

With that I'm out.

 

[TomTom]

I had frequent regens. It was a serious problem. Instead of trying to address it out of a bottle I stayed on top of it until the actual problems were fixed.

It would certainly serve members much better to post what others have had repaired so members can look at possible reasons why their trucks are doing frequent regens and repair them versus dumping a few ounces of fluid into their tanks thinking it fixes the issue.

Of course being an engineer I tend to find out the root cause of why my vehicles have problems and fix them.

In my case it appears, and I posted it, frequent regens were due to a faulty MAF sensor outputting incorrect parameters along with what may well have been a cracked DPF. The MAF may have contributed to the DPF failure plugging up but there was soot in the tailpipe which leads me to believe there was a crack or other fault in the DPF allowing some soot to pass through. Y43 hadn't been performed yet so there was no particulate matter sensor to indicate any issues.

Erroneous output from the IAT sensor or the MAP sensor on the engine could also lead to frequent regens. Incorrect fuel rail pressure or a leaking injector too. A faulty differential pressure sensor could also do this. Rarely, except on high mileage engines, oil getting past the rings or valve guides can cause it. Turbo shaft seal leaking is also possible. I've heard the AA air filters may cause this. I've looked at both the AA and AB and can't believe a clean AA filter causes regens but an AB with say 15k miles and dirty doesn't.

Too frequent regens is the symptom of a mechanical issue.

AlfaOBD is pretty handy used properly along with one of the Autel units such as the MS908II. They can help if your dealer claims there's no problems with data logging abilities. If your dealer can't do anything, dig out a few dollars and take it too a reputable independent shop if you think there's a problem with regen frequency.

I've been forced into replying to things that had nothing to do with my original post. The data is there, take it or leave it, I really don't care.

Fix the truck rather than masking issues. Would you mask faulty spark plugs or wires by buying a higher voltage coil or would you replace the plugs? The new coil may fix the problem for a bit and you'll swear it works, which it did, but it didn't fix anything.

With that I'm out.

You are contriving things that no one has said. Nobody has said that we think the Archoil product fixes the problem. Most people are trying to get by while the real issue is still being figured out. That's great that you figured out you had a cracked DPF, but thats very unlikely to be everyone else's experience here. Coming here to throw shade on a product that is showing some benefit in getting through the investigative period is extremely unhelpful, as is your pompous message telling everyone to get to the root issue. Everyone is well aware that this needs to happen and everyone really wants to solve the root issue, I can assure of that my friend.

 

[mbarber84]

Neither one was time based. The Scanguage showed the counting up on soot and regened exactly when it hit 100%. I've NEVER had a time based regen since the truck is solely used for towing almost 100% on the highway and I keep very precise records of regens,

if this is the case, there’s something wrong with your truck. Towing repeatedly creates the most ideal conditions for continuous passive regeneration while operating. This means the soot load in the DPF should basically be at 0%, or very near it for the duration of the operation. Thus, the only active regeneration cycles that should be occurring are those based on time, rather than soot load. Hence the 24 engine hour timed cycles.

This isn’t pseudoscience or theory, it is fact.

The emissions control programming that is used on these trucks is no different then that of the Cummins commercial engines in terms of regeneration cycles. Active regeneration cycles only happen one of three ways: either initiated by a preprogrammed soot load threshold in the DPF, or initiated by the timed interval (24 hours), or manually forced while parked using a scan tool (parked regeneration).

 

[mbarber84]

I annually make a 1900+ mile trip (similar to your 1000+ mile trip), at 60-80, mph, stop and go traffic congestions, all on freeways and open highways. My 2020 HO gauge has never come off zero and does the 24 hour regen. JThe only difference is I don't use Archoil. Is it only the 2022s that are having the frequent regen problem? What year is yours?

John, 70% of the trucks I have documented with Regen frequency issues (well over 100 now) are 2022’s. I’m not sure what was changed that year, but I am certain that number isn’t a coincidence. This problem is compounded by the fact that Ram is horrendously slow at responding to issues like this. Moreover, the majority dealerships (for the most part) will not spend the shop time that is necessarily required in order to adequately diagnose and rectify a truck displaying regen frequency issues. It is a very detailed and time consuming diagnostic process that requires a lot testing and inspection. Warranty pay out is abysmal and most won’t tackle it. They’re looking for a quick solution to get the truck back to the customer. Most often, they’ll check the air filter and force a parked regeneration and call it “fixed”.

 

[mbarber84]

I certainly want the regen issue addressed but it looks to be something that is beyond my control. My truck is still under powertrain and emissions warranty so it’s not my responsibility to fix it. I keep meticulous records on my trucks regen cycles and can clearly demonstrate that it acts very differently depending on what time of the year it is. There is no way that I should see a 50% reduction in time between regeneration cycles during warmer months. If the truck can go 1,000 miles and 24 engine hours between regen cycles in November, it should be able to achieve the same or nearly the same in July. Especially considering my truck sees very repetitive and consistent drive cycles. To me, this issue comes down to software or hardware that is not adapting operational values to make the truck run consistently in all manners.

 

[oledirteh]

Are you incapable of reading? Mine's never made it to the 24 hour mark before it does a regen.

sucks eh? shoulda stuck with snake oil. might have helped you out.

 

[oledirteh]

if this is the case, there’s something wrong with your truck. Towing repeatedly creates the most ideal conditions for continuous passive regeneration while operating. This means the soot load in the DPF should basically be at 0%, or very near it for the duration of the operation. Thus, the only active regeneration cycles that should be occurring are those based on time, rather than soot load. Hence the 24 engine hour timed cycles.

This isn’t pseudoscience or theory, it is fact.

The emissions control programming that is used on these trucks is no different then that of the Cummins commercial engines in terms of regeneration cycles. Active regeneration cycles only happen one of three ways: either initiated by a preprogrammed soot load threshold in the DPF, or initiated by the timed interval (24 hours), or manually forced while parked using a scan tool (parked regeneration).

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you are a wealth of knowledge most of the time. i appreciate you. i should buy you a beer one day. next time i come up to wampum pa i got you!

 

[RTillery]

I annually make a 1900+ mile trip (similar to your 1000+ mile trip), at 60-80, mph, stop and go traffic congestions, all on freeways and open highways. My 2020 HO gauge has never come off zero and does the 24 hour regen. The only difference is I don't use Archoil. Is it only the 2022s that are having the frequent regen problem? What year is yours?

My truck is a 2019 HO SRW. I have 113,000 miles on it.

 

[TomTom]

I certainly want the regen issue addressed but it looks to be something that is beyond my control. My truck is still under powertrain and emissions warranty so it’s not my responsibility to fix it. I keep meticulous records on my trucks regen cycles and can clearly demonstrate that it acts very differently depending on what time of the year it is. There is no way that I should see a 50% reduction in time between regeneration cycles during warmer months. If the truck can go 1,000 miles and 24 engine hours between regen cycles in November, it should be able to achieve the same or nearly the same in July. Especially considering my truck sees very repetitive and consistent drive cycles. To me, this issue comes down to software or hardware that is not adapting operational values to make the truck run consistently in all manners.

The fact that the Archoil fuel system cleaner has helped passive Regens and extending time between seems to indicate it could be a software/tune issue (although injectors or other fuel components are not out of consideration still). This highlights the importance of not throwing things out as “snake oil” because it appears to be giving some clues as to what the root issue could be. Not to mention the very basic fact that it is helping. Hopefully they can see that.

 

[mbarber84]

The fact that the Archoil fuel system cleaner has helped passive Regens and extending time between seems to indicate it could be a software/tune issue (although injectors or other fuel components are not out of consideration still). This highlights the importance of not throwing things out as “snake oil” because it appears to be giving some clues as to what the root issue could be. Not to mention the very basic fact that it is helping. Hopefully they can see that.

It undeniably does increase time and miles between regeneration cycles. And it’s the only fuel additive I’ve tried so far that did so.

 

[John Jensen]

John, 70% of the trucks I have documented with Regen frequency issues (well over 100 now) are 2022’s. I’m not sure what was changed that year, but I am certain that number isn’t a coincidence. This problem is compounded by the fact that Ram is horrendously slow at responding to issues like this. Moreover, the majority dealerships (for the most part) will not spend the shop time that is necessarily required in order to adequately diagnose and rectify a truck displaying regen frequency issues. It is a very detailed and time consuming diagnostic process that requires a lot testing and inspection. Warranty pay out is abysmal and most won’t tackle it. They’re looking for a quick solution to get the truck back to the customer. Most often, they’ll check the air filter and force a parked regeneration and call it “fixed”.

Was it the 2022s that due to a shortage came without the SCR's particulate matter sensor? Didn't they come with a different regen software to compensate for not having that particulate matter sensor? Then, when those sensors were available they recalled trucks to install the sensor and flash the ECM to the correct regen software. If so, I wonder if that recall flash created the problem. Just wondering.

 

[tchur1]

Was it the 2022s that due to a shortage came without the SCR's particulate matter sensor? Didn't they come with a different regen software to compensate for not having that particulate matter sensor? Then, when those sensors were available they recalled trucks to install the sensor and flash the ECM to the correct regen software. If so, I wonder if that recall flash created the problem. Just wondering.

Maybe, but my truck was beginning to exhibit issues before I had the y43 taken care of and the symptoms havent changed since the PM sensor was added and ECM flashed so I dont think the two are related.

 

[oledirteh]

I believe its in this thread people have talked about them having issues before the sensor and continued to have issues after the sensor.