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Anyone here abandon their 2023 order and order a 2024?

Alligator John

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Despite my order at the last railyard 40 minutes from me, It is not looking good for my truck getting to me in time for my upcoming trip. It is still tbd on the shuttle, it is 350 miles from md, then there is dealer prep time, zoom time, paying for it, and shuttle 350 miles back to me. It needs to do all that in three weeks or I will have to rent a vehicle for our road trip. With the wait since 1/27, the hail damage hold and possible repair, months sitting in the chihuahuan desert sun, and possible lost value considering the 2024 orders are already being taken with production starting soon if not already, it is starting the take the wind out of my sails on my 2023 order. If I end up having to rent a vehicle, I'm thinking that might just be the final sign that my truck order was a cursed ship that would be best left in it's doldrums and start over with a 2024 order.

So, if you reordered either another 2023 before the orders closed or ordered a 2024. Any problems with your dealer accommodating? Did they let you apply your original deposit to the new one? If you used a different dealer were you able to get a refund on your deposit? Any significant price differences or any idea of pricing on the 2024s yet over the 2023 prices? Volume dealer incentives remain the same? And last, any known changes on the 2024 models? Though I have recently been including power wagon rebels looking online locally if they were similar to my build, I would be staying with the Power Wagon if I do order a 2024.

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I’d take the one you have coming. I repriced my 22 using the 23 options list and my $100k limited 3500 was $10k more, so a 10% increase in price. I think others reported the same thing for those years as well as 23 to 24. The info is available online, build your truck and see what sort of a hit you’re going to take. It will potentially offset your perception that the value has dropped on what you have coming. Reality I think is it will depreciate just like normal, you may have an advantage actual as getting at the end of the model year you’ll have lower miles on your 23 compared to if you got it earlier in the year.

If it’s the truck you wanted and it does finally arrive fine, take delivery and don’t wait longer. Same crap could happen with your 24.
 
I did an identical build on ramtrucks.com just now. It is only $1000 more than what I ordered. I also think the last offer MD had on here came out to a .05 to 1% greater discount than what I had locked in with my January order, so a new order might reset that into my favor. If the 24s are the same as the current pricing or not much more, the small price difference might be worth it. But yes, if I find the 2024 pricing comes out to a $10k or more increase, that would kill my new order idea. Thus why I am asking.
 
I think the first thing to do is talk to MD to see if you can and if there is any impact to you.
 
Alligator John said:
I did an identical build on ramtrucks.com just now. It is only $1000 more than what I ordered. I also think the last offer MD had on here came out to a .05 to 1% greater discount than what I had locked in with my January order, so a new order might reset that into my favor. If the 24s are the same as the current pricing or not much more, the small price difference might be worth it. But yes, if I find the 2024 pricing comes out to a $10k or more increase, that would kill my new order idea. Thus why I am asking.
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Ram’s website doesn’t have 2024 pricing on it, and I wouldn’t trust their pricing all that much either as it seems to change in reality faster than on their build & price tool.

The 2023 base price is $6,910 higher than the base price on my 2022’s window sticker (Dec 21 order, May 22 build, Aug 22 delivery). Some of that increase occurred while my 2022 was on order, but more than 1/2 is the 22 to 23 bump.

That’s just base price, you’ll probably find the total price goes up by quite a bit more. A 23 equipped as close as I can to my 22 is just over $10K more.

I would ask your dealer about your deposit, as that may play a big role in how much more effort you put into this.
 
It would depend on the severity of the hail damage. I would want pictures of the damage and then make my decision. If no pictures, I would look it over in different lighting conditions to see if there are any imperfections. Even with paintless dent removal it would be hard to repair to new condition if it had multiple hits.
 
mountainears said:
I think the first thing to do is talk to MD to see if you can and if there is any impact to you.
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Yea, my saleswoman and the logistics guy are supposed to call me today. I know some have abandoned the hail damage orders and purchased elsewhere or reordered so I did want to research how that went for them before that call. The loss of deposit would not matter. I have been sitting on the cash for it. Even after capital gains I can earn the price of the deposit every quarter. If the truck continues to be stuck into August, it really just comes down to what can be locked in with the 2024 pricing. Y'alls info on the 22-23 price differences does help. It is more significant than I expected and sounds like the dealers don't even know yet. I appreciate the input. Thanks It is just going to be frustrating when I ordered a truck in January and then by August still have to pay rent a vehicle because I am still waiting. Maybe they will be able to do something to get it moving.
 
Had my call with MD. It is not looking like they will have my truck before the end of the month. They are going to give me a price quote on a 24 order so I can decide what to do next if anything. It did not sound like there is the kind of price increase like there was between the 22 and 23 year orders, but I will not know for sure until they get back with me.
 
I had built a '23 Limited SRW 3500, but by the time they got the order in '23 was closed and so it'll be a 2024 model. Price went up about a grand, maybe even a little less. So can confirm that package pricing has not changed much between 23 and 24. That said, there could be more significant changes in included options and packages between models. I'm kinda hoping pricing will go down between now and delivery due to the market.

From what I've read Ram announced 22 and 23 model year changes in early September of the previous year and then production began in October, the next month. So I'm figuring, if that holds true for 2024, that I won't know with certainty what'll be included in my '24 for another couple months. Not planning on having the truck any time before December at best though. ...Keep telling myself February is most likely just to temper my expectations.
 
If I reorder, our plan is to buy my wife a new vehicle now instead of a year or two out as we originally were going to do. Instead of trading her current one in, I would drive it until mine arrived and trade or sell it then. With my cash truck fund drawing 4% to 5% interest another wait and small price increase I could live with. One possible concern is I did already buy some things like a retrax cover and randy ellis bar, but so far I am not hearing of any 24 changes that would change the fitment of that stuff. Still sucks, but of course my wife likes my idea.
 
If you do order again be sure to go over the new order with a fine tooth comb to make sure you are getting what you want.
 
A heads-up about different options between years. I ran my same 2022 build through the 2023 ram truck build site a couple months ago just for grins and, as others have mentioned, the price increase was about 10%. However, the real ding was the options that I had on my 2022 order that were no longer available with the 2023 build. For instance, no Light Mt. Brown bench premium cloth seats, no Rear Park Sense, and a couple other items. So the 2023 pricing was 10% higher and there were less options.
 
So I found a truck nearly identical to mine on a dealer lot near me. Advertised dealer price was within a few hundred of my MD price. And so began two hours of back and forth throwing all the salesman, manager, and even general manager BS at me. First not recognising the advertised price, then that was only if financed, then I told them again I only would pay the advertised price and negotiated to finance 10 grand to meet the finance requirement and pay cash for the rest. They accepted, but of course I would have paid the entire loan the first month. Then came the nearly 2 grand they wanted to add for some kind of window tint protection package they said was already applied. Much back and forth trying to find out what that actually included, if it had uv protection and no one there could tell me anything about it other than a title on a line. Whatever it was had a lifetime warranty and I was told that many times. I wanted it off, but did finally agree to a greatly reduced cost for it. I could tell the front windows had been tinted to match the rear at least. They reduced the cost for the tint to their cost, but I doubt that was true. Credit check started and I agreed on price and terms, but I wanted a $1000 incentive I had from stellantis stacked on top and I thought it was going to be. Then manager came back and said they would have to increase price by the amount of incentive if I were to use it. The whole ordeal was brutal from start to finish. I walked. They lost me over them not honoring a $1000 incentive that Ram emailed to me yesterday. I will probably get a call in a day or two agreeing to my terms, but I hope they don't. I might be tempted take it so I can be done with it, but I should tell them to bite a rock after putting me through all that.
 
Alligator John said:
So I found a truck nearly identical to mine on a dealer lot near me. Advertised dealer price was within a few hundred of my MD price. And so began two hours of back and forth throwing all the salesman, manager, and even general manager BS at me. First not recognising the advertised price, then that was only if financed, then I told them again I only would pay the advertised price and negotiated to finance 10 grand to meet the finance requirement and pay cash for the rest. They accepted, but of course I would have paid the entire loan the first month. Then came the nearly 2 grand they wanted to add for some kind of window tint protection package they said was already applied. Much back and forth trying to find out what that actually included, if it had uv protection and no one there could tell me anything about it other than a title on a line. Whatever it was had a lifetime warranty and I was told that many times. I wanted it off, but did finally agree to a greatly reduced cost for it. I could tell the front windows had been tinted to match the rear at least. They reduced the cost for the tint to their cost, but I doubt that was true. Credit check started and I agreed on price and terms, but I wanted a $1000 incentive I had from stellantis stacked on top and I thought it was going to be. Then manager came back and said they would have to increase price by the amount of incentive if I were to use it. The whole ordeal was brutal from start to finish. I walked. They lost me over them not honoring a $1000 incentive that Ram emailed to me yesterday. I will probably get a call in a day or two agreeing to my terms, but I hope they don't. I might be tempted take it so I can be done with it, but I should tell them to bite a rock after putting me through all that.
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I certainly don't want to tell you what to do in a case like you described, BUT, if it were me, and they reached back out to me to try and haggle some more, I would in very specific words tell them to screw off because of their jack-ass attitude around the entire ordeal they put you through. I'd only accept their call if they agreed to the $1,000 incentive without raising the stupid price. Most of those bozos have 'skin like iron' and breath 'as hard as kerosene', and the general managers are immune to ridicule and mockery - and reason.
 
What they are doing with an advertised dealer price with no conditions on the advertisement and then using it to bait customers into a higher price, requiring add ons, and requiring financing is also illegal I found out.


Texas Administrative Code​
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TITLE 43TRANSPORTATION
PART 10TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 215MOTOR VEHICLE DISTRIBUTION
SUBCHAPTER HADVERTISING
RULE §215.250Dealer Price Advertising; Savings Claims; Discounts

(a) When featuring a sales price of a new or used motor vehicle in an advertisement, the dealer must be willing to sell the motor vehicle for that featured sales price to any retail buyer. The featured sales price shall be the price before the addition or subtraction of any other negotiated items. Destination and dealer preparation charges must be included in the featured sales price.
 
Alligator John said:
What they are doing with an advertised dealer price with no conditions on the advertisement and then using it to bait customers into a higher price, requiring add ons, and requiring financing is also illegal I found out.


Texas Administrative Code​
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TITLE 43TRANSPORTATION
PART 10TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 215MOTOR VEHICLE DISTRIBUTION
SUBCHAPTER HADVERTISING
RULE §215.250Dealer Price Advertising; Savings Claims; Discounts

(a) When featuring a sales price of a new or used motor vehicle in an advertisement, the dealer must be willing to sell the motor vehicle for that featured sales price to any retail buyer. The featured sales price shall be the price before the addition or subtraction of any other negotiated items. Destination and dealer preparation charges must be included in the featured sales price.
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Slap that down on the GM's desk and give him a long hard stare. Don't say a word. See if he flinches.
 
How do you know if that dealer truck has had hail damage repairs? Are they required to disclose?
 
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