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PSA: If you’re on the Fence with ordering a 4500/ 5500

I definatly had tpms on my drw 19 denali, it sure was nice.

Can you add tpis to say our 5500s if it didnt come with it?

TPIS isn’t even standard on the GM’s, at least it wasn’t in 2019. I have a coworker with a 19 High Country DRW that doesn’t have TPIS or TPMS.

You would think TPMS would be an option to the 3500+ trucks.


Not sure on adding it, that would be a question for @Jimmy07.
 
Definitely. You would just install the sensors, and enable the feature with AlfaOBD.
Is that really it? No receiver modules to add to the truck or the like? I've been meaning to ask you since we discovered TPIS was deleted on the 23 chassis cabs, but hadn't gotten to it - figured it'd be easier to sort out once I have the truck.
 
Is that really it? No receiver modules to add to the truck or the like? I've been meaning to ask you since we discovered TPIS was deleted on the 23 chassis cabs, but hadn't gotten to it - figured it'd be easier to sort out once I have the truck.
Yeah, that’s it, nothing else is needed.
 
Here's the big thread on it:


But in a nutshell, you need a license for the software (about $56), a security bypass cable ($30-50 I think) and a OBD USB interface (less than $100 depending on what type you want).
 
So with the 4500/5500 trucks, how is day to day life with them vs. the 2500/3500 trucks? Is parking easier or harder? Maintenance a lot more costly or the same? Fuel economy atrocious or about the same? Is the ride quality absolutely terrible or is it livable day to day? Has anyone here bought say, a 4500 and after a few months regretted not getting a 3500? Are there reasons NOT to get a 4500?
 
I think you need to qualify how you're going to upfit the 4500 to compare it to a 3500. I have an air ride kit waiting for my 4500 so I expect it'll ride better than my 3500 did. Parking may be worse, but that's mainly due to the 4500 being an 84" CA which negates the sharper turning radius. If it were a 60" CA 4500 I would expect it to be more maneuverable than a 3500 as the steering angle is much better with the wide track 4500 axle. Fuel economy will depend on the gears between the two mainly. Maintenance I would expect to be mainly the same as mechanically they are basically the same trucks. That said not all dealers work on chassis cabs so that may incur you more cost or distance to getting it maintained.

Insurance is probably the biggest differentiator, and that comes down to if you already have commercial insurance or maybe you are able to insure the 4500 as a personal vehicle. Lots of variables.
 
Ive been running a 5500 laramie with a fully outfitted welding bed since november, used to 3500 duallies but just didnt have any payload left with a 3500 so thats why i upgraded to the 5500. Its a full time family/work vehicle. Although i keep the interior spotless.

I find parking far easier with the wide track front end, dropping kiddos at daycare parking lot is tight, and that wide track is a god send. BUT! at the same time on the highway it does tend to wander a bit as it climbs in and out of the existing ruts as it dosent follow inside them. Not a deal breaker though.

Ride quality vs a 3500/2500. Obviously its going to be a harsher ride being its a cab and chassis and setup for payload. But in the same breath a short box 2500/3500 isnt anything to write home about either. But i will say my previous 3500 dually did ride better. There was one guy in town here that bought a 2022 - 4500 just for the "prestige" of the badge and he put a regular dually box on it, it actually looks completely out of place but i can only imagine that thing is AWFUL to ride in. With my welding bed fully outfitted i am about 4500lbs on the truck and it rides relatively well. On a decent highway i doubt you could tell the difference between it and a half ton. But it is certainly more stiff when it comes to bumps. So far no complaints from the family though. You could always get a keldermen or liquid spring.... but thats a huge investment... atleast for us canadians anyway, i was quoted over 10k for a keldermen system.

Maintainence.... well i would say its on par with a 3500, same engine. Depending on where you are located annual safeties are mandatory, and some dealerships dont have high enough capacity lifts to accomodate these trucks. Only one in my town.

Fuel mileage, well. I am not sure i would say " it sucks " considering its a commerical truck. I am about 13,500lbs running down the road and i average 12.5 mpg and thats city and 40km of hwy a day to get home. On long hwy trips best case scenerio ive seen 16 mpg. I would say running this truck especaially with the 4.44s you can easily expect 3-5mpg less than a 3500 dually depending on your weight.

Insurance will also cost more!

I think unless your going to run out of payload on a 3500 dually, there would be no reason to get into a 4500/5500. with me moving to an aluminium welding bed, i might even be able to slide back into a 3500 dually in the future if the payloads continue to increase. I think you would really have to have a use for a 45/5500 to buy one, i know alot of guys are just after the look. But at that point just buy a 3500 dually and put some 20s on it. If your going to run it around as a daily driver and have it not loaded to some extent you may as well just sell your kidneys! Would i buy one again for my purposes? yep! But if it was just a family truck that pulled my camper god no.
 
Insurance is probably the biggest differentiator, and that comes down to if you already have commercial insurance or maybe you are able to insure the 4500 as a personal vehicle. Lots of variables.

Insurance will also cost more!

Interesting on the insurance. I wonder why it's so much more? This truck is going to be my personal truck. 20% chance it'll become a personal business truck in the future, but short term it'll be my personal truck only. I would likely put a regular bed on it, similar to how the Ford F-450s are. I mainly will pull a tractor and implements around, and a camper. Probably not any HUGE loads. That's why I was kind of wanting to pick your brains about daily life with the 4500. I don't need the 5500 or the longest CA configuration. But I'm curious about going 4500 if there are advantages (tighter steering, more capacity, more flexibility, etc.) and no real drawbacks.
 
Personally seeing what a box looks like on a ram cab and chassis 4500 i wouldnt do it. Looks like a complete after thought. Ontop of which one of my bigger customers had to do all the custom work to shorten the frame on the truck which included drive shaft modifications, new fuel tank, which was hugeeee dollars. and that box just isnt meant to sit on a cab and chassis.... sits soo high. If you dont shorten the frame, youll have about 5" between the cab and box, as cab and chassis are 60" C/A whereas your typical 3500 is 53" C/A i believe.

If your looking for a plug and play 4500 with a box just buy an F450. But at the end of the day "technically speaking" a 3500 DRW ram can actually tow more than a 4500/5500 cab and chassis counter part.

By your description, it looks like your in 3500 DRW territory all day. I think you would despise a 4500 as a daily with only a conventional box on it. At about 700lbs on those springs, youll struggle to reach the radio lol
 
Insurance is more simply because it's viewed as a commercial vehicle, whether that is true or not. You may or may not be able to get your insurance provider to talk to their underwriter and price it closer to an RV or normal pickup truck. Mine says they will, but I am also waiting for the final numbers.

I think there are plenty of advantages to a 4500 even with the 60" CA - steering radius, dual fuel tanks, big axles, 19.5" wheels, etc. Disadvantage is the suspension if you leave the stock springs in it.

As far as putting a pickup bed on it.. I wouldn't. A normal long bed 3500 is about a 56" CA, so you'll have a 4" gap to fill or delete somehow. The beauty of these trucks is the flat frame where you can build or install whatever you want on it.
 
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