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2022 deletes ETA????/ 2nd gen swap

jayboy918 said:
Spot on. I have a stock truck except 37's, level and a Banks Ram Air Intake elbow and am throwing P0402 codes. Likely caused by the ram but now my confidence is shattered when towing across state lines! I just want reliability like I had with my 5.9 and previous 6.7. Will exchange that for the warranty at this point. And it seems like a lot of folks are getting P0402 codes at around 10k-12k miles, which is where I'm at.
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I am a fan of the aftermarket air intake kits especially the S&B unit. The fact many trucks are throwing codes is proof the engine is breathing better but I wont install anything until we can tune the ECU to account for the additional air.

I have reached out to EFI Live numerous times and always receive a generic answer of "currently no support for the 22s and no ETA if support will be released".

Also, I contacted HP tuners and they have always been quick to reply. Again, no support but they do have their RAM engineers working on it.

I have even contacted some well known shops and they assure me they are working the issue daily but no news yet. According to some shops, in some cases when they are trying to flash the ECU it can brick the ECU which instantly transforms it into an expensive paper weight.

In my opinion I think someone will figure out a way to tune these trucks but it wont be the traditional way with your commonly used programmers we use on the pre 22 trucks. The newer Fords are the same way, newer F-150s and Mustangs are not able to be tuned either. If you have time look into C8 Corvette tuning, it took them a couple of years to develop but they finally cracked it. However, its not your normal GM shops using HP tuners to tune them. Most of these "tuners" cost a few thousand dollars........ very similar to the new duramax platforms. So again, it will come but dont be surprised if it cost in upwards of 3-4k dollars.
 
Riddick said:
I am a fan of the aftermarket air intake kits especially the S&B unit. The fact many trucks are throwing codes is proof the engine is breathing better but I wont install anything until we can tune the ECU to account for the additional air.

I have reached out to EFI Live numerous times and always receive a generic answer of "currently no support for the 22s and no ETA if support will be released".

Also, I contacted HP tuners and they have always been quick to reply. Again, no support but they do have their RAM engineers working on it.

I have even contacted some well known shops and they assure me they are working the issue daily but no news yet. According to some shops, in some cases when they are trying to flash the ECU it can brick the ECU which instantly transforms it into an expensive paper weight.

In my opinion I think someone will figure out a way to tune these trucks but it wont be the traditional way with your commonly used programmers we use on the pre 22 trucks. The newer Fords are the same way, newer F-150s and Mustangs are not able to be tuned either. If you have time look into C8 Corvette tuning, it took them a couple of years to develop but they finally cracked it. However, its not your normal GM shops using HP tuners to tune them. Most of these "tuners" cost a few thousand dollars........ very similar to the new duramax platforms. So again, it will come but dont be surprised if it cost in upwards of 3-4k dollars.
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EfI live and EZ link are just devices they have no bearing on the tuners ability to crack the ECM code so asking them is a waste of time. They changed the security not the way tunes can be flashed in when GM and ford changed the security they also changed the dealer scanners so that they could flash ECM’s, Ram can flash the ECM using the same device as they did in the pre 21 trucks so it is most likely not going to change the way tunes are flashed but instead a different security bypass than just an unlock cable
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
EfI live and EZ link are just devices they have no bearing on the tuners ability to crack the ECM code so asking them is a waste of time. They changed the security not the way tunes can be flashed in when GM and ford changed the security they also changed the dealer scanners so that they could flash ECM’s, Ram can flash the ECM using the same device as they did in the pre 21 trucks so it is most likely not going to change the way tunes are flashed but instead a different security bypass than just an unlock cable
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Negative ghost rider. Tuning device companies are the ones who crack the code to access the ECU (think EZ Lynk, EFI Live, HP Tuners). The actual tune file themselves have been written for months (think shops like Calibrated, PPEI, CCS), however until the manufactures figure out a way to access the ECM we are stuck waiting. All your local tuner is doing is writing a specific file based on your vehicle. The tuning device companies are the ones who write the code on getting past the firewall within the ECU, once inside your tuner can make changes accordingly.

I am aware the process of flashing a ECU is unchanged. I could of been more specific above but I was trying to state it may take an entirely new device meaning the current ones dont have the technology required. This was just a wild guess and may or may not be accurate. I believe you can use HP Tuners to access the Duramax ECU but you are going to pay 3k plus for a tune file.

If what you stated above is true about RAM still using the same devices that's a huge plus for us..
 
Riddick said:
Negative ghost rider. Tuning device companies are the ones who crack the code to access the ECU (think EZ Lynk, EFI Live, HP Tuners). The actual tune file themselves have been written for months (think shops like Calibrated, PPEI, CCS), however until the manufactures figure out a way to access the ECM we are stuck waiting. All your local tuner is doing is writing a specific file based on your vehicle. The tuning device companies are the ones who write the code on getting past the firewall within the ECU, once inside your tuner can make changes accordingly.

I am aware the process of flashing a ECU is unchanged. I could of been more specific above but I was trying to state it may take an entirely new device meaning the current ones dont have the technology required. This was just a wild guess and may or may not be accurate. I believe you can use HP Tuners to access the Duramax ECU but you are going to pay 3k plus for a tune file.

If what you stated above is true about RAM still using the same devices that's a huge plus for us..
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See that is not accurate EFI, EZ lynk got the crack for the 2019s from optimal welding he was the first one to be able to crack the 4.5 gen trucks( about the only good thing he has done tuning wise) i got that info directly from EFI live
 
Performance Calibration is now supporting the 22 platform. Unfortunately, they have to modify the ECU to make it work which makes this a costly upgrade. It's over 4k but you can tune your 22 if you want. They sold out almost instantly and will update their website when they get more ECUs in. I believe the only two supporting the 22s are Performance Calibration and NRE Performance.

@Mx4one9
 
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Riddick said:
Performance Calibration is now supporting the 22 platform. Unfortunately, they have to modify a 19-21 ECU to make it work which makes this a costly upgrade. It's over 4k but you can tune your 22 if you want. They sold out almost instantly and will update their website when they get more ECUs in.
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Saw that last night on boomer book. Sold out within minutes. Similar power as to '21 models from what PC was saying...which I think is 200hp max for the "race" tune.

I wanted to read up on what they were able to do w/ the Aisin but you can't even click on the link since they're sold out.
 
CFE said:
Saw that last night on boomer book. Sold out within minutes. Similar power as to '21 models from what PC was saying...which I think is 200hp max for the "race" tune.

I wanted to read up on what they were able to do w/ the Aisin but you can't even click on the link since they're sold out.
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No one has tuning for the Aisin. Nothing has changed since it came out way back when.
 
GPurcell01 said:
No one has tuning for the Aisin. Nothing has changed since it came out way back when.
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My bad - i thought was one of the reasons (other than cracking the ECU security protocols) on why it was taking so long.

Do you happen to know why they haven't cracked the AISIN yet?
 
CFE said:
My bad - i thought was one of the reasons (other than cracking the ECU security protocols) on why it was taking so long.

Do you happen to know why they haven't cracked the AISIN yet?
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Fron my understanding the Aisin code is ever-learning to driving habits and they haven't been able to have it act consistently to changes.

Personally I'm fine with the Aisin how it is. I love how it drives even with added power.
 
TROYHASABIGHORN said:
i just wanna hear some exhaust :( i come from a 2004 6.0 powerstroke that was rowdy.... this new truck sounds like a well oiled machine going down the road. i miss my loud 6.0 that sounded like it was falling apart
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These dont get very loud my 19 was still hardly loud with a straight pipe
 
TROYHASABIGHORN said:
i just wanna hear some exhaust :( i come from a 2004 6.0 powerstroke that was rowdy.... this new truck sounds like a well oiled machine going down the road. i miss my loud 6.0 that sounded like it was falling apart
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It probably sounded like the 6.0 was falling apart because it was falling apart...
 
tchur1 said:
It probably sounded like the 6.0 was falling apart because it was falling apart...
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i never had a single issue with it, 4 years of ownership. mainly because it was built properly and maintained... people love putting them down but they are actually great trucks if you look past the bulletproofing, almost how i looked past the trans/front end problems ram has...
 
Anyone have success contacting Performance Calibration? I have emailed/called multiple times and left voice mail but nothing in return from them, I don't do useless fb so I can't message them. Does not bode well for post purchase support if something goes array for that kinda $.

What's the deal with NRE Performance as I have never heard of them, anyone ever use them?
 
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Performance Calibration has been selling the modified ECUs for awhile now. They recently temporarily stopped selling them so they can catch up on orders, same thing happened when then initially released them. NRE is a well know performance shop and to my knowledge they are still supporting the 22s. Look them up and give them a call, I am not sure where you are but you could be fairly close to them.

Duramaxtuner / Calibrated Power is about to release emissions intact tuning for the 22s. Like others, you purchased a modified ECU but you do get to keep your OEM ECU. Also, their prices are significantly lower than the vendors posted above. All in you are looking at 3k which includes, credits, hardware, and ECM. If you plan to delete this might be the cheaper option in the long run. Once you have the ECM you can load a tune from any vendor out there as long as they use the same hardware / device.
 
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BighornHDRam said:
Anyone have success contacting Performance Calibration? I have emailed/called multiple times and left voice mail but nothing in return from them, I don't do useless fb so I can't message them. Does not bode well for post purchase support if something goes array for that kinda $.

What's the deal with NRE Performance as I have never heard of them, anyone ever use them?
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Unfortunately FB has taken over as the preferred place of business for a lot of companies (the younger generation prefer that) so it's hard to get around it. Be asuured that PC is a legit business and from what I hear/understand is the "brains" behind many tuning companies out there.

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tchur1 said:
It probably sounded like the 6.0 was falling apart because it was falling apart...
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There are still three 6.0s in my family, from the first year to the last year of the 6.0. All three are heavily used, are TT towers, have high mileage, and are still performing well. Only one had a head gasket failure that occurred at 3000 miles (mfg defect). The two early ones are bone stock, the 2016 is tuned and abused.
Don't mean to hijack the post but need to say the 6.0s don't "fall apart".
 
John Jensen said:
There are still three 6.0s in my family, from the first year to the last year of the 6.0. All three are heavily used, are TT towers, have high mileage, and are still performing well. Only one had a head gasket failure that occurred at 3000 miles (mfg defect). The two early ones are bone stock, the 2016 is tuned and abused.
Don't mean to hijack the post but need to say the 6.0s don't "fall apart".
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The 6.0L went from 03.5-06.5 so if its a 2016 then its a 6.7L
 
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