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Price negotiated from MSRP

pr3dict said:
Anyone think this impeding recession is going to have prices tanking like in 2008?
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Kinda. Used trucks are tanking around me. Dealer actually has 5 or 6 HD trucks on the lot and they dropped their 5k markup over MSRP. Doubt we'll see prices plummet though.
 
Enve46 said:
Negotiated my Laramie of 85k sticker to 76k, Criswell Thermont, MD. Great people to work with and my truck was on the lot.
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Great deal! I wish I could of said the same for a deal on a 2023 order. They wouldn't budge off of MSRP for a 2023 factory order.
 
Brutal_HO said:
That's nuts when MD or Granger will both do a 4% under invoice order. Too late to cancel and reorder?
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haha, I didn't go with them at all. I found another local dealer that offered 2% below invoice and guaranteed the trade in value no matter how long it takes , Criswell still wouldn't even match them. I figured after travel time to Granger or MD and then the mileage back it was a wash and I wouldn't have the additional mileage on the vehicle.
 
Tater86 said:
haha, I didn't go with them at all. I found another local dealer that offered 2% below invoice and guaranteed the trade in value no matter how long it takes , Criswell still wouldn't even match them. I figured after travel time to Granger or MD and then the mileage back it was a wash and I wouldn't have the additional mileage on the vehicle.
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Ah, RIF. I missed that.
 
Anybody have 2023 dealer cost and invoice prices?

Anybody trading in 2022 Ram? If so what numbers you seeing?
 
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pr3dict said:
Anyone think this impeding recession is going to have prices tanking like in 2008?
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I would doubt that it tanks like in 2008. There are still a lot of chip and supply chain shortages and lot of manufacturers are still removing features since not enough can be supplied to put into trucks. I think the bottle neck is going to be the supply chain which will limit how many trucks they can make. They certainly aren't flying off the assembly like prior to 2008. The other thing is that manufacturers are protecting themselves as well. Instead of producing as many trucks as possible and putting them on lots they are doing more custom orders so the don't get too far ahead of their skis. I think the market will normalize and correct itself a bit but I don't foresee it tanking.
 
sn_85 said:
I would doubt that it tanks like in 2008. There are still a lot of chip and supply chain shortages and lot of manufacturers are still removing features since not enough can be supplied to put into trucks. I think the bottle neck is going to be the supply chain which will limit how many trucks they can make. They certainly aren't flying off the assembly like prior to 2008. The other thing is that manufacturers are protecting themselves as well. Instead of producing as many trucks as possible and putting them on lots they are doing more custom orders so the don't get too far ahead of their skis. I think the market will normalize and correct itself a bit but I don't foresee it tanking.
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The main factor I'm talking about isnt the supply chain for vehicles... Thats just a small cog in the machine that is the economy. People are losing their jobs left and right, interest rates are up which means businesses will be cutting back on spending and that will trickle down to the consumer which means people are going to lose their jobs and not have the ability to spend x on new vehicles. Also all the overinflated prices of the 2020-2022 vehicles are hitting the market which will drive this little problem even further down. Anyway, long story short. The economy is not in a good place.
 
Savage99ss said:
Anybody have 2023 dealer cost and invoice prices?
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I have been looking at Ram, and Chevy/GMC. 2 months ago both Chev. & GMC dealers were at MSRP + $5,000. A couple weeks ago they had dropped to MSRP. Yesterday I got a call from one of the dealers and he was at MSRP less $1,000. This offer was on 2022's and 2023's. that were in stock. I have also noticed that when I look at the window sticker the 2023's don't seem to show anything missing, unlike the 2022's that are missing park distance control and a couple other things.
 
LandCruiser said:
I have been looking at Ram, and Chevy/GMC. 2 months ago both Chev. & GMC dealers were at MSRP + $5,000. A couple weeks ago they had dropped to MSRP. Yesterday I got a call from one of the dealers and he was at MSRP less $1,000. This offer was on 2022's and 2023's. that were in stock. I have also noticed that when I look at the window sticker the 2023's don't seem to show anything missing, unlike the 2022's that are missing park distance control and a couple other things.
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The initial batch of GM 23s weren't missing anything but the retrofits are now starting to trickle back in on the builds. GM is also now adding a "mandatory" option of Onstar for 3 years...some vehicles they are charging up to $1500...it's supposedly not as much of a charge on the Chevy side but still there nonetheless for the 23s being built now. Mention that as both dealers and potential buyers aren't crazy about GM's decision to move forward with their subscription services
 
pr3dict said:
The main factor I'm talking about isnt the supply chain for vehicles... Thats just a small cog in the machine that is the economy. People are losing their jobs left and right, interest rates are up which means businesses will be cutting back on spending and that will trickle down to the consumer which means people are going to lose their jobs and not have the ability to spend x on new vehicles. Also all the overinflated prices of the 2020-2022 vehicles are hitting the market which will drive this little problem even further down. Anyway, long story short. The economy is not in a good place.
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It is supply and demand as long as we keep ordering/buying these trucks the prices with continue to rise. sn_85 is spot on, dealers are making the shift to sold orders vs trucks on lots. It is a win-win, they have guaranteed sales and if someone backs out that is even better, have a truck "on the lot" which will be "rare" and worth a lot to the impulse/lot buyer (again supply and demand).
The only way I see the prices going down is if we go into a deep recession and everyone stops buying. Just my opinion...
 
phatboy64 said:
The only way I see the prices going down is if we go into a deep recession and everyone stops buying. Just my opinion...
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www.businessinsider.com

Most CEOs are already preparing for a recession, with plans including laying off staff and cutting spending on environmental issues, a major survey shows

91% of CEOs of big US companies said there will be a recession within the next year, and only a third expect it to be mild and short, per a KPMG poll.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

It's coming...
 
pr3dict said:
www.businessinsider.com

Most CEOs are already preparing for a recession, with plans including laying off staff and cutting spending on environmental issues, a major survey shows

91% of CEOs of big US companies said there will be a recession within the next year, and only a third expect it to be mild and short, per a KPMG poll.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

It's coming...
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I would hate to see us get a break on the cost of a new truck at the expense of people getting laid off and financial hard times..but..maybe the tables will turn for those of us getting delivery in the spring and we will have some leverage.
 
phatboy64 said:
I would hate to see us get a break on the cost of a new truck at the expense of people getting laid off and financial hard times..but..maybe the tables will turn for those of us getting delivery in the spring and we will have some leverage.
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What leverage would we have if we ordered a vehicle on an agreed upon price?
 
Ironsides77 said:
What leverage would we have if we ordered a vehicle on an agreed upon price?
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So this is all hypothetical "fun" talk based on the possibility of a deep recession.
If the market (demand) for HD trucks dries up I would think a seasoned negotiator like the folks on this forum would be able to renegotiate their agreed-upon price. The dealer does not want trucks sitting on their lots that are not selling (supply). This is not unlike what is happening to some folks on their trade-in values. I am not sure what most folks have signed but my purchase agreement gives me the ability to back out at any point before I accept delivery and get a full refund of my deposit.

Again, this is all just hypothetical talk.....
 
phatboy64 said:
So this is all hypothetical "fun" talk based on the possibility of a deep recession.
If the market (demand) for HD trucks dries up I would think a seasoned negotiator like the folks on this forum would be able to renegotiate their agreed-upon price. The dealer does not want trucks sitting on their lots that are not selling (supply). This is not unlike what is happening to some folks on their trade-in values. I am not sure what most folks have signed but my purchase agreement gives me the ability to back out at any point before I accept delivery and get a full refund of my deposit.

Again, this is all just hypothetical talk.....
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I appreciate the explanation sir!

This is going to be my second new purchase and I’ve always been able to get under MSRP.

If crap hits the fan by the time my build is up, I’ll definitely seek y’all’s advice.
 
Just spoke with Earnhardt Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Gilbert, Az. (Phoenix area) and they will do 3% over Invoice and guarantee the price at the time you place the order. So if factory increases the price you are protected.
 
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