2500 6.7L major towing capacity reduction

[ForOB]

Has anyone else checked their max towing capacity on 2021-2022 2500 limited or Laramie diesel on ram website in last month?

It looks like all have been reduced by 3-4K. I read that they are more than capable to pull 18-19 k so I don’t understand the basis for change. Any help would be appreciated!

 

[MEGA HO]

2500? Without even looking into number I can tell you that 2500s are not rated to tow that much, and from my memory even the 3500 SO will not have that much or will be right at the tow limit. As I understand the transmission is a limiting factor.

 

[Nd79]

That's almost the limit of my 21' 3500 SO

 

[Jacob]

2500? Without even looking into number I can tell you that 2500s are not rated to tow that much, and from my memory even the 3500 SO will not have that much or will be right at the tow limit. As I understand the transmission is a limiting factor.

I think the tow rating on my 19 2500 tradesman is 19k lbs.

 

[MEGA HO]

I think the tow rating on my 19 2500 tradesman is 19k lbs.

Yes you're correct. I found the brochure for my MY (it's also 19) and it shows 2500 maxed out at around 19+k and 3500 SO at 22K. But of course as we all are aware, these max futures are for the most basic configuration

 

[Brutal_HO]

I wouldn't trust any of the sales and marketing pages. If anything changed they were probably overstated in the past and have since been corrected.

Do a VIN lookup using your truck or a similar config you can find or look to the towing chart PDF for accurate info.

Marketing folks are just salespeople and you know what they say about their lips moving...

 

[thecastle]

i don’t really worry much about the “towing“ numbers companies slap on their trucks anyway. Theyre mostly theoretical as Youll run out of payload way before you’ll hit the towing max. if you have 10%-15% tongue weight and you have 2000lbs of payload, with one person in the truck husky 250lbs, and assuming the hitch weighs nothing (it dosent) you’d have 1750 of payload remaining meaning at 10% hitch weight you’d be able to tow 17500lbs max most likely even less. Plus several inches of squat. So you wouldn’t be towing level without WDH and or air suspension, which even further lowers payload……. Yeah, 19k they claim…. More like 11.5 k with 15% tongue weight to 17k with 10% and nothing in the truck. Even less when you account for hitch weight. Not unique to ram for over rating towing capacity.

 

[Redfour5]

I can't speak to the specific question, but don't think anything has "changed" at the core level. It's all about the bells and whistles you get that weigh...including a 6.7 diesel. And total towing capacity is never the limiting factor on trucks. It's always "payload." My 6.4 Hemi is like 3,060 Payload and 15K total towing. That's perfect for me even with the fifth wheel I want. An identical 6.7 will run right at 1,000 lbs less payload strictly because of the added weight of the diesel engine. Please don't go off on a diesel is better rant anyone... Everyone has different needs. AND, I get an extra 1,000 lbs of payload...approximately. But you put the bed utility package, spray on bedliner, Ramboxes, fifth wheel package, 50 gallon tank, sunroof, etc., and each one takes away from your payload and total capacity. If you got all those I listed above, you are talking hundreds of lbs off your towing capabilities.

 

[Nd79]

Here's some real world numbers to add to the discussion.

My truck is rated at 20k towing 4k payload.
My trailer when fully loaded to max gvwr is 15k lbs. If I was towing more weight, I personally would have gone with the HO/Aisin as I like a good buffer.

At 15,000 and 15% tongue weight would be 2,250 lbs

One day I did an experiment for my own knowledge. Keep in mind I also error towards the front of the trailer rather than the rear for weight distribution. On this particular instance with a full load on the trailer, I parked it on the scale with the wheels off the scale and trailer tongue jack on the scale, effectively giving me a pretty good idea of actual tongue weight with that specific load.

It weighed in at 3,000 lbs tongue weight!

With me and all my tools in the truck I considered that maxed out approx.

Now I can play with weight distribution but it was good to know on any given day I could be close to maxed out.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Here's some real world numbers to add to the discussion.

My truck is rated at 20k towing 4k payload.
My trailer when fully loaded to max gvwr is 15k lbs. If I was towing more weight, I personally would have gone with the HO/Aisin as I like a good buffer.

At 15,000 and 15% tongue weight would be 2,250 lbs

One day I did an experiment for my own knowledge. Keep in mind I also error towards the front of the trailer rather than the rear for weight distribution. On this particular instance with a full load on the trailer, I parked it on the scale with the wheels off the scale and trailer tongue jack on the scale, effectively giving me a pretty good idea of actual tongue weight with that specific load.

It weighed in at 3,000 lbs tongue weight!

With me and all my tools in the truck I considered that maxed out approx.

Now I can play with weight distribution but it was good to know on any given day I could be close to maxed out.

Unless it's a Toyhauler with a full garage, a loaded 5th wheel will almost always be in the 18-20% range on pin weight.

10-15% is for large bumper pull.

5-10% for small utility and boats.

My 12K GVWR 5th is almost always around 2200.

 

[ForOB]

Thank you for all the commentary. The vin specific info used to align with the towing being about 10 times payload up to 20k (or payload is 10% of towing) about 1 month ago. That’s not practical and it’s probably why ram changed it to ensure payload is 12.5% minimum of towing. I understand you don’t want to exceed gvwr or gcwr. The spec sheet for 2021 ram with diesel crew 4x4 indicates 10k gvwr and 27.9k gcwr. I will measure tongue weight on my 12k boat/trailer and go from there.

Ram customer service and dealers have been no help answering the questions so far.

 

[thecastle]

What you hit upon is that there is a difference between how many people use their trucks and how marketing wants people to see said truck. Truck marketing professionals know that towing numbers sell trucks. However, most people want to tow their loads at highway speeds 65+ which dictates 10%-20% tongue weight of the towed on the tow vehicle. as such trucks typically run out of payload long before they hit their theoretical towing max, due to trailer balancing considerations for highway towing. Additionally Lower payloads (gvwr-curb) mean better unloaded ride quality…. Which most people who never /rarely tow want. Towing, high payloads, low squat with leaf spring suspensions are at odds / compromise with using it as a comfortable daily driver. the leaf spring compromise is why every vehicle out there for heavy towing moved to air suspension decades ago. air solves the compromise in unloaded and loaded ride quality and no squat. but it doesn’t increase gvwr. Or axel weight ratings and tires.

 

[CdnHO]

Unless it's a Toyhauler with a full garage, a loaded 5th wheel will almost always be in the 18-20% range on pin weight.

10-15% is for large bumper pull.

5-10% for small utility and boats.

My 12K GVWR 5th is almost always around 2200.

Large fifth wheels are often more than 20%. Mainly because almost all the storage is ahead of the axles. My 20K GVWR fifth wheel is a good example. No meaningful storage over or behind the axles. Add to that the generator, fuel tank, propane tanks are all adding to pin weight. Recent scaling came in with 5700 lb of pin weight and 22K total trailer weight. The thing came out of the factory at 18K. Obviously anything less than a dually would have resulted in major load over payload rating. Time for weight reduction.

 

[JHeat2500]

Something changed...first screen cap is from December, second is from today.

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[kennelpj]

Something changed...first screen cap is from December, second is from today.

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I wouldn't trust the website. Always seems to be glitchy. Hopefully the software engineers that work on the website don't touch the trucks!

 

[gpattikjr]

I wouldn't trust the website. Always seems to be glitchy. Hopefully the software engineers that work on the website don't touch the trucks!

Probobly the same ones writing code for uconnect5

 

[Jacob]

I wouldn't trust the website. Always seems to be glitchy. Hopefully the software engineers that work on the website don't touch the trucks!

How are you supposed to know the tow rating? I don't think its in the manual right?

 

[Brutal_HO]

How are you supposed to know the tow rating? I don't think its in the manual right?

Towing guide pdf's are baseline.

Max tow listed should be GCWR less curb weight =max tow.

The VIN lookup is supposed to be accurate. While the payload has never wavered from day1, my max tow rated seems to be different every time I can get the site to return anything without error.

I think the back end data sources are AFU.