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So a little background. We are buying a 5th wheel toy hauler that is pretty heavy. 24k GVW on the trailer and a little over 4k on the pin according to the manufacturer. I need to start looking for a truck to pull it and the RAM 3500 is at thw top of my list, if i can actually find one. Trim wise i would like a Laramie at the minimum and would also like 4wd. I can find quite a few DRW with the max tow package and the trim levels i want but none of them seem to have the 14k package which i need. All of them that i see are low 4k( some less) on the payload which leaves zero wiggle room for passengers in the truck when its loaded up. I feel kind of like im looking for a unicorn at this point. I have been able to find some f-words and some general mistakes on the lot that meet the bill but like i said i prefer the Ram by far as i currently drive one and love it. I dont mind ordering one but before i do i would like to know what these trucks have for a payload when you have that package. I want to make 100% sure it will do what i need. Local dealers have been less than helpful. Does anyone have a 3500 DRW with a Cummins in a Laramie or Limited trim and can they tell me what the capacities are?

Thanks.
 
If it's a DRW it is 14K GVWR. SRW 3500 are 12,300. If it's Max Tow, it has HO/Aisin, 4.10 rear, and a higher tow (GCWR) rating.

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I'd be ordering exactly what you want. That said, some options may or may not be available on Laramie trim right now (power folding mirrors, etc.)

Base Laramie payload. Air suspension will lower that a bit. As you add options, it will go lower.

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If you have a VIN on a truck you're looking at, you can plug it in here and get the as-built factory ratings for that truck.

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H3LZSN1P3R said:
Where did you get the pin weight? Thats seems far to low for a 24k trailer
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That is what I thought. Loaded up, that trailer will have a pin weight of 4800 or more. My trailer spec was 3710 on the pin. Final pin weight is 5700. Definitely need dually with Max Tow pkg. My Longhorn has a payload of about 5200. Yeah, I know I am over the GVWR but well under the axle weight ratings.
 
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H3LZSN1P3R said:
Where did you get the pin weight? Thats seems far to low for a 24k trailer
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Got the pin weight from the manufacturer. From what they tell me with the 3 axles and the garage loaded as we plan to load it the pin weight wont hit 20% when its loaded, they said more like 18% tops, they expect between 15-18%. I can only go off what they tell me, since at this point the thing is not even built yet, we are many months out on that so i don't have the actual hard numbers yet. They gave me numbers based off the last few they built and factored in our garage load. I would hope they would know what they build well enough to give me decent numbers.


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If you have a VIN on a truck you're looking at, you can plug it in here and get the as-built factory ratings for that truck.

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I don't trust that website one bit, look at the disclaimer on the numbers, it says "when properly equipped".... If i punch in the vin of my current RAM 1500 Limited it tells me the payload is 1850#, the sticker in my door says 1330# so clearly they are giving best case scenario for that model not specs on the actual truck in question. I have also looked at the vins of trucks i have found locally and same deal, confirmed by the dealer who has taken pictures of the door sticker for me. The interesting part is if you look at the specs for a truck on the ram shopping site it gives a payload number, the towing guide shows a different number for the same truck and the actual sticker in the case of the 3 trucks i have called on have differed from both numbers greatly. Really the only thing i trust at this point is the sticker on the door jam.

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Here's a fairly nicely appointed Laramie DRW max tow.


5170 payload.

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I have found a few trucks near me equipped just like that one. None of them actually have the payload stated on the Ram website, the ones i have see have been a lot lower. Anyway, i find it really hard to trust the numbers on the Ram website when they show stuff like this.
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These numbers do not add up at all, either the GVWR is wrong, the payload, the curb weight or all three. I have no earthly idea what Ram is doing here..... One thing for sure this truck does not appear to be optioned with the 14k payload since that is nowhere on the window sticker and should be if it had it. BTW this screenshot was taken from that same exact truck you referenced above that is at Faricy boys in Colorado. If it wasn't 3/4ths of the way across the country from me i would probably look into it more but based off what i am seeing locally for identically equipped trucks im not sure its even worth the email to ask.
 
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I have a 2021 3500 DRW HO Limited Max tow with all options including sunroof and my payload is 4782. That's gonna be about the lowest you'll see on a DRW. Also my tow capacity is right about 35k.
 
fishnitro said:
So a little background. We are buying a 5th wheel toy hauler that is pretty heavy. 24k GVW on the trailer and a little over 4k on the pin according to the manufacturer. I need to start looking for a truck to pull it and the RAM 3500 is at thw top of my list, if i can actually find one. Trim wise i would like a Laramie at the minimum and would also like 4wd. I can find quite a few DRW with the max tow package and the trim levels i want but none of them seem to have the 14k package which i need. All of them that i see are low 4k( some less) on the payload which leaves zero wiggle room for passengers in the truck when its loaded up. I feel kind of like im looking for a unicorn at this point. I have been able to find some f-words and some general mistakes on the lot that meet the bill but like i said i prefer the Ram by far as i currently drive one and love it. I dont mind ordering one but before i do i would like to know what these trucks have for a payload when you have that package. I want to make 100% sure it will do what i need. Local dealers have been less than helpful. Does anyone have a 3500 DRW with a Cummins in a Laramie or Limited trim and can they tell me what the capacities are?

Thanks.
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I am pretty sure as long as you have the Cummins Engine its going to be 14K with a dually. You can only get the the 11K GVW in a HEMI. You might be seeing some SO Cummins DRW with 12,300 GVW but i would say that's rare.

Here is my door sticker for my 2022 Limited Longhorn.
 

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When you use a VIN number the RAM look up my vehicle towing tab is accurate for payload.

If you do a configuration...it is giving you the lightest optioned vehicle with that cab bed drivetrain.

All dual rear wheel 3500 trucks are 14000 GVWR. Hemi or Cummins. Regular cab 2wd trucks will have the highest payload. Crew Cab limited 4wd will have the least.

The payload is 14000 minus base weight. A tradesman will have the lowest base weight. A Hemi will have a lower Base weight. A 2wd will have a lower base weight.

The other GVWR numbers are for Single Rear wheel. And these vary from HO to SO Cummins and HEMI.

If you need more than 14k GVWR...then you need a 4500 or a 5500.

Limited is going to be the highest base weight. Making payload in the 4k range. A tradesman 2wd Reg cab Hemi will have the lowest base weight and payload over 7000 lbs

So. You either need to lose options or lose 4x4 or lose cab size. Or go to a 4500 5500
 
sstoner911 said:
I am pretty sure as long as you have the Cummins Engine its going to be 14K with a dually. You can only get the the 11K GVW in a HEMI. You might be seeing some SO Cummins DRW with 12,300 GVW but i would say that's rare.

Here is my door sticker for my 2022 Limited Longhorn.
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All trucks with dual rear wheel are 14k.

The 11k and 12300 is for a single wheel truck.

These vary based on engine and wheelbase.

GCWR changes with the Hemi, SO OR HO Cummins...but all three are 14k GVWR.
 
fishnitro said:
So a little background. We are buying a 5th wheel toy hauler that is pretty heavy. 24k GVW on the trailer and a little over 4k on the pin according to the manufacturer. I need to start looking for a truck to pull it and the RAM 3500 is at thw top of my list, if i can actually find one. Trim wise i would like a Laramie at the minimum and would also like 4wd. I can find quite a few DRW with the max tow package and the trim levels i want but none of them seem to have the 14k package which i need. All of them that i see are low 4k( some less) on the payload which leaves zero wiggle room for passengers in the truck when its loaded up. I feel kind of like im looking for a unicorn at this point. I have been able to find some f-words and some general mistakes on the lot that meet the bill but like i said i prefer the Ram by far as i currently drive one and love it. I dont mind ordering one but before i do i would like to know what these trucks have for a payload when you have that package. I want to make 100% sure it will do what i need. Local dealers have been less than helpful. Does anyone have a 3500 DRW with a Cummins in a Laramie or Limited trim and can they tell me what the capacities are?

Thanks.
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My 2020 RAM 3500 Tradesman CC LB dually Ho Aisin has a payload of 5875. When I weighed my truck, ready to travel with full 55 gallon diesel I have 5600 actual payload before hitting max rear axle rating.

Ive been told that triple axle trailers do not usually hit the 20% pin weight that dual axles do. So hopefully the manufacturer is telling you correctly.
 
fishnitro said:
Got the pin weight from the manufacturer. From what they tell me with the 3 axles and the garage loaded as we plan to load it the pin weight wont hit 20% when its loaded, they said more like 18% tops, they expect between 15-18%. I can only go off what they tell me, since at this point the thing is not even built yet, we are many months out on that so i don't have the actual hard numbers yet. They gave me numbers based off the last few they built and factored in our garage load. I would hope they would know what they build well enough to give me decent numbers.



I don't trust that website one bit, look at the disclaimer on the numbers, it says "when properly equipped".... If i punch in the vin of my current RAM 1500 Limited it tells me the payload is 1850#, the sticker in my door says 1330# so clearly they are giving best case scenario for that model not specs on the actual truck in question. I have also looked at the vins of trucks i have found locally and same deal, confirmed by the dealer who has taken pictures of the door sticker for me. The interesting part is if you look at the specs for a truck on the ram shopping site it gives a payload number, the towing guide shows a different number for the same truck and the actual sticker in the case of the 3 trucks i have called on have differed from both numbers greatly. Really the only thing i trust at this point is the sticker on the door jam.



I have found a few trucks near me equipped just like that one. None of them actually have the payload stated on the Ram website, the ones i have see have been a lot lower. Anyway, i find it really hard to trust the numbers on the Ram website when they show stuff like this.
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These numbers do not add up at all, either the GVWR is wrong, the payload, the curb weight or all three. I have no earthly idea what Ram is doing here..... One thing for sure this truck does not appear to be optioned with the 14k payload since that is nowhere on the window sticker and should be if it had it. BTW this screenshot was taken from that same exact truck you referenced above that is at Faricy boys in Colorado. If it wasn't 3/4ths of the way across the country from me i would probably look into it more but based off what i am seeing locally for identically equipped trucks im not sure its even worth the email to ask.
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I don't need to look. I made it clear that the base (marketing) numbers shown will be lower when you add packages and options.

DevilDodge has touched on the 1500 payload issue before (here and on the 5thgenrams site) and they were notoriously wrong in the past. The argument is not useful as a comparison of accuracy to the 19+ HD trucks.

My 2020 3500 SRW is dead nuts on with the door sticker vs VIN retrieval on the towing site. SRW HO Limited with air, no sunroof #3707.7 online, 3707 on the door. Most others that have posted their payload stickers in the "post your payload stickers" thread, are also accurate to the website. As to what to expect lacking a VIN, post #9 is probably the lowest with an average around 5200 on a Laramie Dually.

If you're seeing numbers listed/screenshot on a dealer site (Faricy), they're wrong. Use the VIN on the towing guide site. If it is able to retrieve it, it is accurate (for a 19+ HD) 99% of the time.

If you look at the Monroney (window sticker) in the link I posted, you will see that truck is an HO Dually. ALL DUALLIES ARE 14K GVWR. If the dealer is showing something different, they are making a mess of their website/inventory.
Please look at the towing guide pdf and see if there's a DRW listed that is not 14K GVWR. https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/d..._HD-3500-D2_Trailer-Tow-Weight-Chart_MY21.pdf
FWIW, it's clear that tow guide PDF only lists base model Tradesman and Big Horns.

Post up the VINs of the trucks you looked at, let's see how they are optioned on thie build sheets or Monroney and what the towing guide lookup shows.

We're all just here trying to help, yet you seem adversarial to help. There are several posts here now with payloads of very well optioned trucks that should put you very close.
 
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Max Tow Package includes
$3,695
  • 4.10 Axle Ratio
  • 5th Wheel / Gooseneck Towing Prep Group
  • Automatic-Leveling Rear Air-Suspension
  • Center Stop Lamp with Cargo-View Camera
  • DOT Certified Roadside Safety Kit
  • 30K Direct Mount 5th-Wheel Hitch by Mopar
That doesn't mean your DRW won't be 14K GVWR, the Max Tow package includes other options as a package and increases the GCWR a few pounds. Frankly if I was buying a DRW it would have the Max Tow Package, but it can handle 15750 lbs regardless of configuration. This is the truck only though, the combined weight has differences with the 3:73 vrs 4:10 look at the chart in the link it gives all info.



Front 6000 lbs Rear 9750 lbs = 15750 GVW

 
Brutal_HO said:
I don't need to look. I made it clear that the base (marketing) numbers shown will be lower when you add packages and options.

DevilDodge has touched on the 1500 payload issue before (here and on the 5thgenrams site) and they were notoriously wrong in the past. The argument is not useful as a comparison of accuracy to the 19+ HD trucks.

My 2020 3500 SRW is dead nuts on with the door sticker vs VIN retrieval on the towing site. SRW HO Limited with air, no sunroof #3707.7 online, 3707 on the door. Most others that have posted their payload stickers in the "post your payload stickers" thread, are also accurate to the website. As to what to expect lacking a VIN, post #9 is probably the lowest with an average around 5200 on a Laramie Dually.

If you're seeing numbers listed/screenshot on a dealer site (Faricy), they're wrong. Use the VIN on the towing guide site. If it is able to retrieve it, it is accurate (for a 19+ HD) 99% of the time.

If you look at the Monroney (window sticker) in the link I posted, you will see that truck is an HO Dually. ALL DUALLIES ARE 14K GVWR. If the dealer is showing something different, they are making a mess of their website/inventory.
Please look at the towing guide pdf and see if there's a DRW listed that is not 14K GVWR. https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/d..._HD-3500-D2_Trailer-Tow-Weight-Chart_MY21.pdf
FWIW, it's clear that tow guide PDF only lists base model Tradesman and Big Horns.

Post up the VINs of the trucks you looked at, let's see how they are optioned on thie build sheets or Monroney and what the towing guide lookup shows.

We're all just here trying to help, yet you seem adversarial to help. There are several posts here now with payloads of very well optioned trucks that should put you very close.
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Not at all adversarial to help. I just have a real hard time trusting what i find on RAM's own website when depending on where you look on RAM's you get conflicting information, then when you see sometihng in real life its different yet again. FWIW, the screenshot i posted of the truck you referenced was directly from RAM not the dealer and the RAM towing site shows different numbers than those. That truck shows a ~5400 payload on the truck finder part of the site and ~5100 on the towing guide. Real hard to know which numbers to trust.

Regarding the trucks i have looked at, i don't have specific vin numbers at this point since it has been weeks since i have seen one. The trucks have since been sold but i can tell you is the actual payload sticker in the door was lower than what either RAM site shows and in some cases by several hundred pounds which to me does not seem insignificant. This is why i'm trying to gather data to figure out how i may need to configure it should i have to order one. I do not want to be in the situation where i order some options i like and then the truck will no longer meet the needs from a payload perspective.

Ford and GM don't make it any easier, they don't list anything online at all for capacities on specific trucks you literally have to go to the lot and look. I don't know which is worse, no data at all or data that may nor may not be accurate.
 
fishnitro said:
Not at all adversarial to help. I just have a real hard time trusting what i find on RAM's own website when depending on where you look on RAM's you get conflicting information, then when you see sometihng in real life its different yet again. FWIW, the screenshot i posted of the truck you referenced was directly from RAM not the dealer and the RAM towing site shows different numbers than those. That truck shows a ~5400 payload on the truck finder part of the site and ~5100 on the towing guide. Real hard to know which numbers to trust.

Regarding the trucks i have looked at, i don't have specific vin numbers at this point since it has been weeks since i have seen one. The trucks have since been sold but i can tell you is the actual payload sticker in the door was lower than what either RAM site shows and in some cases by several hundred pounds which to me does not seem insignificant. This is why i'm trying to gather data to figure out how i may need to configure it should i have to order one. I do not want to be in the situation where i order some options i like and then the truck will no longer meet the needs from a payload perspective.

Ford and GM don't make it any easier, they don't list anything online at all for capacities on specific trucks you literally have to go to the lot and look. I don't know which is worse, no data at all or data that may nor may not be accurate.
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I get it.

However, just know that whatever you see on the build site, towing numbers shown, etc. are base model numbers.

You need to run the VIN and compare to "published" and perhaps the door tag. That said, I still stand by my statement that most are reporting the door stickers are accurate to the VIN lookup.
 
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