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Two new tires after alignment?…..Centramatic fix

Poolmonkey

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Bought the 2019 PW with 13k back in Sept and the Duratracs looked to be in good shape but a bit lumpy, would create vibration around 40 to 60mph. So, bought some Hankook muds because I need muds. A hunting season later the truck was back to lumpy worse than ever.

Took it to the premier alignment shop in town, they did their thing and informed that the fronts had taken a beating...the truck was badly out of alignment. They moved the fronts to back and sure enough the vibration followed. The alignment worked wonders on the front and wheel, smooth as silk and turning/tracking/steering much nicer. 0 degree and all that....

Had the rears balanced and that made them quite a bit better but still..some vibration in the back now and more wah-wah noise than the muds would account for...they are done afaic.

Safe in opinion to get two replacement tires for the rear at this point? Seems to be a common theme, tire issues before a proper alignment.
Just don't want to waste a couple of tires, was wondering if I should wait and see what happens to the two on the front now. I hardly drive the thing off season, so....
Thanks
 
What muds? Personally I’ve never encountered a half worn kid tire that doesn’t make some noise or vibration. Tread scalloping is just a byproduct of the open tread/large block design.

I’ve also noticed on full size trucks, aside from the edges on the front tires, that the rears tend to wear more/more evenly than the fronts. Maybe just wait a while and see how the rear tires wear in?
 
jetrinka said:
What muds? Personally I’ve never encountered a half worn kid tire that doesn’t make some noise or vibration. Tread scalloping is just a byproduct of the open tread/large block design.

I’ve also noticed on full size trucks, aside from the edges on the front tires, that the rears tend to wear more/more evenly than the fronts. Maybe just wait a while and see how the rear tires wear in?
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When I was younger and broker I did let the old Bronco's rear beat some tires round again...-))
The tires only have 3000 miles on them, but a whole lot of that speedy dirt which will tear up tread when not aligned properly I was told....Dynapro MT2s. Have had three tire guys look at them in addition to the alignment dude who declared them toast, two shops said wasted and one said pretty bad. The now fronts appear nearly new cause they are and really, I can't see what the guys see and feel on the now backs but I can hear it and feel in in the seat.
If there is one thing I hate, it's crappy, mismatched or difference in wear sets of tires. Thinking new while the now fronts nearly are, maintain the replacement schedule with these or a whole new set...my options, probably?

Looking for reassurances/anecdotes that indicate the aftermarket alignment will fix things, I guess.
 
Run em, muds are soft especially the hancooks so it wont take long for them to start to wear flat again expecially if you take off hard or so a couple quick burnouts
 
Had a similar with my BFG's. Front was out from the factory. Swapped front to rear and got aligned to Thuren specs.
Worn tires on the rear smoothed out after some miles, and maybe a burn out or 3. :rolleyes:
 
Poolmonkey said:
When I was younger and broker I did let the old Bronco's rear beat some tires round again...-))
The tires only have 3000 miles on them, but a whole lot of that speedy dirt which will tear up tread when not aligned properly I was told....Dynapro MT2s. Have had three tire guys look at them in addition to the alignment dude who declared them toast, two shops said wasted and one said pretty bad. The now fronts appear nearly new cause they are and really, I can't see what the guys see and feel on the now backs but I can hear it and feel in in the seat.
If there is one thing I hate, it's crappy, mismatched or difference in wear sets of tires. Thinking new while the now fronts nearly are, maintain the replacement schedule with these or a whole new set...my options, probably?

Looking for reassurances/anecdotes that indicate the aftermarket alignment will fix things, I guess.
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In my experience the Thuren alignment helps but (in my case) doesn't totally solve the tire wear. Here with our very crowned roads and a vehicle that weighs 7000 pounds is leading to some edge tire wear again but its very even wear - not the typical scalloping you see from alignments that are out. I account it for the crown mainly and the fact that always steering the vehicle to the left slightly to compensate for it is going to expose the edges of the tires moreso than that of a flat road as it constantly has to climb the crown. I was also running too high of tire pressure as well at one point. Lowered to 45 front and 40 rear and am seeing a much improved contact patch on the ground now.

I guess some pictures of the rear tires would help?
 
My opinion, they'll do it again. I'm not saying that you didn't need an alignment but M/T's just never wear well on the front. New tires are the worst. The deeper the tread the worse they wear. When you move a set of half worn out tires from the rear to the front, they usually do better on the front than new tires but they'll still wear choppy. It's just a mud tire thing. All you can do is rotate the shti out of them. Don't let them get too far out of shape on the front before you move them to the rear. It's still tough to wear out a set evenly even if you rotate them every couple thousand miles. The rear can only fix so much damage. It's just part of the price of admission when you run mud tires on pavement.
 
I ran BFG 35s mud terrains on my solid axle K5 Blazer. Balance beads to keep them balanced. Rotate every 5K miles. Proper alignment.
They wore just fine. No issues.

I run Toyo 37s mud terrains on the wifes IFS 4x4. Same thing. Balance beads, rotate at 5K, proper alignment. No wear issues.
 
Crusty old shellback said:
I ran BFG 35s mud terrains on my solid axle K5 Blazer. Balance beads to keep them balanced. Rotate every 5K miles. Proper alignment.
They wore just fine. No issues.

I run Toyo 37s mud terrains on the wifes IFS 4x4. Same thing. Balance beads, rotate at 5K, proper alignment. No wear issues.
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I had muds on my Raptor for the duration, two sets of the original Dynapros after she chunked the factory BFG ATs to bits in 6k... drove the dirt a little fast maybe. Something happens starting around 70mph or so in gravel where tire noise becomes jet airplane loud and treads suffer accordingly. Muds stayed nicely round, smooth and intact despite that, independent front though.
The old Scout was trouble as well as the lifted Bronco to a lesser extent. A solid axle can be more difficult I know, but still.
jetrinka said:
In my experience the Thuren alignment helps but (in my case) doesn't totally solve the tire wear. Here with our very crowned roads and a vehicle that weighs 7000 pounds is leading to some edge tire wear again but its very even wear - not the typical scalloping you see from alignments that are out. I account it for the crown mainly and the fact that always steering the vehicle to the left slightly to compensate for it is going to expose the edges of the tires moreso than that of a flat road as it constantly has to climb the crown. I was also running too high of tire pressure as well at one point. Lowered to 45 front and 40 rear and am seeing a much improved contact patch on the ground now.

I guess some pictures of the rear tires would help?
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I did have to correct left for crown constantly before the alignment but not now. Work trucking today, can't take pics.
Blythkd1 said:
My opinion, they'll do it again. I'm not saying that you didn't need an alignment but M/T's just never wear well on the front. New tires are the worst. The deeper the tread the worse they wear. When you move a set of half worn out tires from the rear to the front, they usually do better on the front than new tires but they'll still wear choppy. It's just a mud tire thing. All you can do is rotate the shti out of them. Don't let them get too far out of shape on the front before you move them to the rear. It's still tough to wear out a set evenly even if you rotate them every couple thousand miles. The rear can only fix so much damage. It's just part of the price of admission when you run mud tires on pavement.
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Two new and stay on top of rotation/balancing diligently is what I will do, if this truck and muds won't play nice then maybe some ATs next time and just suffer in the snow and mud a bit...I expect and accept the noise and lack of manners that comes with muds, always have but still want reasonably smoooooth because I'm old and had it with that Raptor even with muds for ten.
Just Amazoned them for relatively cheap, shipping to Manny, Moe and Jack for the install.


Thanks all, appreciate the info and opinions. -)))
 
Poolmonkey said:
I had muds on my Raptor for the duration, two sets of the original Dynapros after she chunked the factory BFG ATs to bits in 6k... drove the dirt a little fast maybe. Something happens starting around 70mph or so in gravel where tire noise becomes jet airplane loud and treads suffer accordingly. Muds stayed nicely round, smooth and intact despite that, independent front though.
The old Scout was trouble as well as the lifted Bronco to a lesser extent. A solid axle can be more difficult I know, but still.


I did have to correct left for crown constantly before the alignment but not now. Work trucking today, can't take pics.


Two new and stay on top of rotation/balancing diligently is what I will do, if this truck and muds won't play nice then maybe some ATs next time and just suffer in the snow and mud a bit...I expect and accept the noise and lack of manners that comes with muds, always have but still want reasonably smoooooth because I'm old and had it with that Raptor even with muds for ten.
Just Amazoned them for relatively cheap, shipping to Manny, Moe and Jack for the install.


Thanks all, appreciate the info and opinions. -)))
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Mud tires suffer in the snow way more than A/t tires if you want the best of both worlds then the duratracs are the best idea
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
Mud tires suffer in the snow way more than A/t tires if you want the best of both worlds then the duratracs are the best idea
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We don't get out in snow like you do usually, our wheeling in it would more accurately be described as mud with some snow on top of it mostly...it will stop ATs and the "hybrids" cold. Treads that don't self clean become useless slicks in our alkali clay, especially ATs.
But yeah, maybe something like the Duratracs or new Coopers for a compromise when the time comes. Will see.
 
@Poolmonkey, So where do you hang your hat? Around here, our mud is just sticky black crap that will plug up virtually any tire. The only tire I've seen work very well in our gunk is the old bias ply directional mud grips. Those tires will clean. I bought a new 4WD truck a few years ago that came with M/S tires iirc, worthless in mud. So I put a set of Dynapro M/T's on and couldn't tell much difference. Turn them one round and you were done. Our tractors get a workout around here pulling trucks out during the wet season.
 
Blythkd1 said:
@Poolmonkey, So where do you hang your hat? Around here, our mud is just sticky black crap that will plug up virtually any tire. The only tire I've seen work very well in our gunk is the old bias ply directional mud grips. Those tires will clean. I bought a new 4WD truck a few years ago that came with M/S tires iirc, worthless in mud. So I put a set of Dynapro M/T's on and couldn't tell much difference. Turn them one round and you were done. Our tractors get a workout around here pulling trucks out during the wet season.
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Vegas, but all of our valleys and mountains in N. Nevada are where we see the bad clay, deer/elk/duck hunting and that. Greasy and sticky stuff, but will clean out of good MTs with wheel speed.
The Dynapros were the stuff for me, make my trucks akin to a tractor vs ATs. Really, might see the never ending muck every other year or so but good mudders make the difference. Had no complaints regarding the Dynapro 2s this year though small, used them in it and well.
Seeing as how I live to get up there, want to be able to get in and get out..rain and snow or not. 60 miles or more from pavement is commonplace, don't want to walk.
The PW is for that and some date nights because she loves it exclusively, want muds but want them fairly nice.
 
flan said:
Did traditional balancing not work for you? Also do you hear the balances at lower speed? Thanks.
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Repeated balancing by multiple places worked to varying degrees of not great. I put them on a week ago and it’s been hot, windows up.
 
I’m nearing witts end with my ridge grapplers, been balanced 3x and I still get a jiggle around 70. The 3 places that have balanced gave different levels of success as well. I have it pretty much narrowed down to the passenger front, I swapped it out with an oem rim/tire my truck came with and it seemed pretty good on the test ride. I’m going to go back to the last shop I used and see if they can get it any better. I may resort to centramatics before dismounting them and having a bonfire in my backyard.
 
flan said:
I’m nearing witts end with my ridge grapplers, been balanced 3x and I still get a jiggle around 70. The 3 places that have balanced gave different levels of success as well. I have it pretty much narrowed down to the passenger front, I swapped it out with an oem rim/tire my truck came with and it seemed pretty good on the test ride. I’m going to go back to the last shop I used and see if they can get it any better. I may resort to centramatics before dismounting them and having a bonfire in my backyard.
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$240 something after tax, easy install…WTH and glad I did, going to be much nicer travel this hunting season.
Yeah…was about to bail on the factory wheels and these muds but kept hearing “it should be good“ from shop guys.
These things are supposed to balance the entire rotating assembly, can’t hurt.
 
Poolmonkey said:
Went to Depot and listened….can’t hear anything over the sound of the truck. It drives so much better in every way, crazy.
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At 2:50 in This vid, he captures the noise most reviews I read remark about it being the one drawback to them. Most say it sounds like one would expect, BB’s rolling around in a metal tube. I wonder if they made any changes since his production date, did yours seem to rattle when you were installing or dampened inside by oil?
 
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