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Wileykid

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Currently have a tt (toy hauler) that is 25', but 30' tongue to bumper. and I am looking at a 38' 5th wheel. My question is, until I can widen my driveway at the street (culverts on either side), I am wondering if I would be able to put the 5th in. The street is pretty narrow, and I am just able to put the trailer in the driveway without the front end of my truck going into my neighbor's front yard by a foot or so. Knowing that the 5th will have 3-4' over the truck, would it work, or I am going to need to wait until I modify the driveway?
 
Two things, 5th wheel will make you about 4 ft shorter overall length plus you can jack-knife when turning. Might not be any problem at all. Is the 5th wheel 38 ft overall?
 
The one I am looking at online, yes, 38' length. Nothing is in concrete, as I am looking around right now in that general length. This will be my first 5th, and for backing up, trying to get an idea, I don't have a lot of room. I know the 5th doesn't react as fast as the bumper, and being able to jack-knife (to a certain amount).
 
Wileykid said:
The one I am looking at online, yes, 38' length. Nothing is in concrete, as I am looking around right now in that general length. This will be my first 5th, and for backing up, trying to get an idea, I don't have a lot of room. I know the 5th doesn't react as fast as the bumper, and being able to jack-knife (to a certain amount).
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Once you pull a fifth wheel you'll never go back to a travel trailer!
 
If I may be so bold as to ask what are you pulling this with?
2500, 3500, short bed long bed
 
HO Ram Guy said:
38-ft fifth wheel toy hauler starting to get up in a pin weight!
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That is why I stayed away from them with my 2500. I am shooting for around a 14K(ish) lb trailer weight. Even at a 20% pin weight, the 3,750 useful on my 3500 (see my signature) should allow me to be well within.

It is a short (regular) bed. I am looking at either doing the Reese Gooseneck, or the Anderson Ultimate. No interest with a sliding hitch. Truck is factory 5th/gooseneck prep.
 
Wileykid said:
That is why I stayed away from them with my 2500. I am shooting for around a 14K(ish) lb trailer weight. Even at a 20% pin weight, the 3,750 useful on my 3500 (see my signature) should allow me to be well within.

It is a short (regular) bed. I am looking at either doing the Reese Gooseneck, or the Anderson Ultimate. No interest with a sliding hitch. Truck is factory 5th/gooseneck prep.
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I have the Andersen ultimate Hitch 2 in a long bed with Arctic Fox 27-5 with 5th airborne Hitch, it's amazing! 2900 pin wt. If you go with that make sure you get the bed shaft from them, it has a lot more contact area for attaching to hitch pin. This is of course my own unbiased, unprofessional, personal opinion!!! haha
 
Some people don't think too highly of the Anderson Hitch but you do have the choice of turning the red adapter thingy around on your trailer to give you more fifth wheel clearance.
 
Unless you have obstacles sticking up, the key will be the difference between the hitch to wheels vs the kingpin to wheels. If you're making that shuffle with a 32' bumper pull, a 38' fifth will be cake. They turn/react slower, but as has been said, you'll generally have much more angle to work with. The shortbed reduces that, but an appropriate hitch can be mitigated.

I'm one of the AUH haters. Not a fan for anything over 12K. I just don't trust that 30lb piece of aluminum tubing. I do love their levelers and (like) their jack blocks.
 
I'll let you know how AUH does this weekend, going to friends place up above Somerset that has pretty ugly uphill, through the bushes, twisty access road to get into the place. Gonna need some serious trimming to get in but well worth it! Will need low range for sure!
 
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I'll let you know how AUH does this weekend, going to friends place up above Somerset that has pretty ugly uphill, through the bushes, twisty access road to get into the place. Gonna need some serious trimming to get in but well worth it! Will need low range for sure!
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Yo, Brutal, How do I put a picture in my description like you have?
 
HO Ram Guy said:
Yo, Brutal, How do I put a picture in my description like you have?
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Just click on your username in the upper right of the main forum screen, then:

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You can resize the thumbnail image (please do) and if anyone clicks on it, still see the full size image.
 
HO Ram Guy said:
I'll let you know how AUH does this weekend, going to friends place up above Somerset that has pretty ugly uphill, through the bushes, twisty access road to get into the place. Gonna need some serious trimming to get in but well worth it! Will need low range for sure!
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I added the 2WD Low Range kit to my truck today. Probably not needed for the Aisin, but nice to have just the same.
 
brutal said:
Unless you have obstacles sticking up, the key will be the difference between the hitch to wheels vs the kingpin to wheels. If you're making that shuffle with a 32' bumper pull, a 38' fifth will be cake. They turn/react slower, but as has been said, you'll generally have much more angle to work with. The shortbed reduces that, but an appropriate hitch can be mitigated.

I'm one of the AUH haters. Not a fan for anything over 12K. I just don't trust that 30lb piece of aluminum tubing. I do love their levelers and (like) their jack blocks.
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The only obstacle I have is a mailbox, and I will be modifying it so I can take it down when needed. Unless I see a deal that is unbeatable, I need to do the extensions to my driveway at the road, the three foot drop off on either side of the driveway is a pretty good incentive. I would hate to not be able to put it in. Well, if I used my neighbors yard, I could. :rolleyes:

This will all probably be a non-event, but you know Murphy....

I am not set on the AUH, and I have been reading on them, seen the failure pictures. Also know about the sidewinder. With the 6'4" bed, just looking at options other then the sliding hitch, although that even depends on the actual trailer.
 
I have the AUH, no real issues to speak of. I do have a banged up cable right now, don't know exactly when it happened, but, possibly user error, but, I think Andersen will honor the warranty.

Depending on your pinbox, you will likely get good clearance with the AUH. I think if I were doing it again, very very specific to my setup, I would have gone with the Pullrite Superlite 2600. I'm not super concerned about the aluminum, but, the AUH basically has 2 options, 9" rear offset, or, 1" rear offset (coupler reversed). 9" is a little too much for my setup, so, I have it in the reversed position and can get a little more angle than previous TT probably. I think the superlite has 1", +/-7", and 8" (literature says max of 8", the piece that connects to the gooseneck can be turned either way, I am assuming that takes out about an inch from the max). It may be another option to look at.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the andersen though, it's a good setup and the ease of use is worth it. At the end of the day, to me, if any hitch fails in an accident, I am not going to lose sleep over it. I have heard of "normal use" failures, but, I am skeptical of those a bit
 
The best way to know is to hook it up to your truck and test it out.
 
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