Towing numbers

[Newtocummins2021]

I have a similar configuration as Newtocummins and he's actually going to be pushing his GCVWR when he loads a toy(s). My GCVWR is 28,300 (don't know if his is a 4WD or 2WD which makes a difference in PL capacity). Using the 20-23% pin weight rule, I found I can't be hauling long THs. They're just too heavy for SRWs. Regardless of him transfering some of the load to the rear axle by loading one of his toys, his pin weight is still going to be right up there if he ever thinks about hauling up to the GVWR (17k) of that TH. Just my $.02.

Where do I find the GCVWR? Don’t see that on my sticker. It’s a 4x4. My other concern is the trailer axles. Per my weigh in, the trailer axles weighed at 13,640 lbs. it has 2 x 7,000 axles. How in the world can I add any toy with appreciable amount of weight to unload the pin without maxing out the trailer axles? I’m more confused now

and how is your payload so high? Mine is only 3848 pounds.

 

[DevilDodge]

GCWR is found in the charts.

They are based on Engine transmission rear gear mainly. But with the 3500...cab and bed length also matter.

I believe @Newtocummins2021 said he has a SRW 3500 crew longbed with HO Cummins.

The GCWR for that is 33610

The SO in the same configuration is only 28300

 

[Thorvald]

So, I bought a 2021 3500 Laramie SRW crew cab long bed with the HO/Aisin. Love the truck. Bought it to tow our new 2021 keystone Fuzion 373 toy hauler. I was really trying to stay away from a dually.
Finally got the truck and trailer combo weighed. I have;
5520 on the front axle
7740 on the rear axle
Trailer axles are 13640
Total weight 26,900.
I know I’m over on the GVWR. I have replaced the wheels with method HD wheels with 4500 Lb rating. I have replaced the tires with cooper AT3 XLT tires with 4079 Lb rating. Trailer tows fine other than needing to adjust my hitch a little. How concerned would you guys be with these numbers?

Something is not adding up, that is a “smaller“ dual axle toy hauler. Pretty much designed for 3500 SRW trucks, see them all the time and owners are quite happy (though mostly Grand Design). Dry pin weight from factory shows 3155. Add propane, battery should still not exceed your payload with AUH unless Keystone adds something to their pin weights (one of the reasons I like GD, real world measured as shipped/built pin weights). Similar to the one I plan to get one day (GD Momentum 353G but I think it’s a lighter base weight compared to the Fuzion).

Your trailers GVWR is 17000 lbs on the dot, assume worst case 25% pin weight equals 4250 lbs. Yes that would likely be over your payload but you indicated it was unloaded?

All that non scientific water cooler talk aside, as others have stated, i have no trouble exceeding payload but exceeding axle would make me a little nervous.

Love to see the difference with a toy in it, even a motorcycle or ATV. You can also check where the water/tanks are. If any are behind the axles, fill that sucker up and re-weigh. May affect my future tailer decision!

 

[gimmie11s]

Where do I find the GCVWR? Don’t see that on my sticker. It’s a 4x4. My other concern is the trailer axles. Per my weigh in, the trailer axles weighed at 13,640 lbs. it has 2 x 7,000 axles. How in the world can I add any toy with appreciable amount of weight to unload the pin without maxing out the trailer axles? I’m more confused now

and how is your payload so high? Mine is only 3848 pounds.

Try this link below. Click “look up my vehicle” then enter your VIN. It will spit out your payload and max towing.

Get your curb weight by subtracting your GVWR from your payload.

Then take your curb weight and add it to your max tow number that the website gave for your truck and you should get Gross Combined WR.

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FWIW, My HO dually 3500 is 43,000lbs GCWR using this method.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Try this link below. Click “look up my vehicle” then enter your VIN. It will spit out your payload and max towing.

Get your curb weight by subtracting your GVWR from your payload.

Then take your curb weight and add it to your max tow number that the website gave for your truck and you should get Gross Combined WR.

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FWIW, My HO dually 3500 is 43,000lbs GCWR using this method.

That lookup has been broken (for me) for quite some time now. Anyone actually get it to work? Even selecting a MY only shows chassis cabs.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Where do I find the GCVWR? Don’t see that on my sticker. It’s a 4x4. My other concern is the trailer axles. Per my weigh in, the trailer axles weighed at 13,640 lbs. it has 2 x 7,000 axles. How in the world can I add any toy with appreciable amount of weight to unload the pin without maxing out the trailer axles? I’m more confused now

and how is your payload so high? Mine is only 3848 pounds.

Are you sure you were positioned on the pads correctly?

Something on your weights isn't adding up.

If your trailer axles are scaled @13,640 and you're carrying 3,400 on your pin (the numbers aren't clear to me without scale weights listed), that's 17,040, over the GVWR of the trailer. The listed dry weight is 14,000? If 3,400 (again guessing) is on the pin, that's only 10,600 on the axles. You sure the axle weight wasn't 10,640?

The numbers you gave don't make sense. Let's see your scale tickets.

 

[lovegolf44]

Something is not adding up, that is a “smaller“ dual axle toy hauler. Pretty much designed for 3500 SRW trucks, see them all the time and owners are quite happy (though mostly Grand Design). Dry pin weight from factory shows 3155. Add propane, battery should still not exceed your payload with AUH unless Keystone adds something to their pin weights (one of the reasons I like GD, real world measured as shipped/built pin weights). Similar to the one I plan to get one day (GD Momentum 353G but I think it’s a lighter base weight compared to the Fuzion).

Your trailers GVWR is 17000 lbs on the dot, assume worst case 25% pin weight equals 4250 lbs. Yes that would likely be over your payload but you indicated it was unloaded?

All that non scientific water cooler talk aside, as others have stated, i have no trouble exceeding payload but exceeding axle would make me a little nervous.

Love to see the difference with a toy in it, even a motorcycle or ATV. You can also check where the water/tanks are. If any are behind the axles, fill that sucker up and re-weigh. May affect my future tailer decision!

That dry pin weight doesn't give him much flexibility for adding any passengers, cargo in the cab/bed, etc. Like I said, I have a 14,500 GVWR fiver and my pin weight + all the other shat necessary to have in the cab and bed doesn't give me much for PL left and I have 300lbs more PL than he does.

I agree the GAWR is the key and exceeding PL a little isn't going to break the bank. The only thing I don't know is how a state's DOT/staties look at these numbers if you get pulled over or get in an accident that's investigated. I would assume they would be most concerned about GAWRs than anything.

 

[lovegolf44]

Where do I find the GCVWR? Don’t see that on my sticker. It’s a 4x4. My other concern is the trailer axles. Per my weigh in, the trailer axles weighed at 13,640 lbs. it has 2 x 7,000 axles. How in the world can I add any toy with appreciable amount of weight to unload the pin without maxing out the trailer axles? I’m more confused now

and how is your payload so high? Mine is only 3848 pounds.

I believe the higher PL for my truck is mostly due to it being a 2X4. 4X4 are heavier.

 

[DevilDodge]

Try this link below. Click “look up my vehicle” then enter your VIN. It will spit out your payload and max towing.

Get your curb weight by subtracting your GVWR from your payload.

Then take your curb weight and add it to your max tow number that the website gave for your truck and you should get Gross Combined WR.

Ram Towing | Find the Best Truck for Your Towing Needs

Find everything you need to know about Ram towing capacity, payload & more here. Discover the best Ram truck or van that fits your towing needs today.

www.ramtrucks.com

FWIW, My HO dually 3500 is 43,000lbs GCWR using this method.

You are correct. This is what I try to tell everyone when they think the ma towing number is a ma trailer number.

Max tow is without a driver or hitch.

The Ops truck has 33610 being a SRW HO Cummins.

 

[DevilDodge]

I believe the higher PL for my truck is mostly due to it being a 2X4. 4X4 are heavier.

Reading your signature I believe you have an SO..your 4x2 is lighter than a 4x4 and your SO is much lighter than the HO

 

[DevilDodge]

 

[DevilDodge]

 

[gimmie11s]

That lookup has been broken (for me) for quite some time now. Anyone actually get it to work? Even selecting a MY only shows chassis cabs.

worked for me last night …?

 

[lovegolf44]

Reading your signature I believe you have an SO..your 4x2 is lighter than a 4x4 and your SO is much lighter than the HO

Correct. Also I didn't post the correct PL for my truck, it's actually 4259lbs.

 

[Newtocummins2021]

Are you sure you were positioned on the pads correctly?

Something on your weights isn't adding up.

If your trailer axles are scaled @13,640 and you're carrying 3,400 on your pin (the numbers aren't clear to me without scale weights listed), that's 17,040, over the GVWR of the trailer. The listed dry weight is 14,000? If 3,400 (again guessing) is on the pin, that's only 10,600 on the axles. You sure the axle weight wasn't 10,640?

The numbers you gave don't make sense. Let's see your scale tickets.

As for being positioned correctly, it seemed pretty simple, there were 3 separate pads. Park front tires on one pad, rear on the next and trailer on the next. But it was my first time doing it so anything is possible. I have attached my scale ticket. The paper one says the same. The trailer had about 40 gallons of fresh water and was loaded for a long weekend camping trip Clothes, food, grills, chairs and what not. Truck had me,wife,3 kids under 7. I did not unhook and weigh things separately.

When I weighed the truck for registration it was 8200 with barely any fuel and no steps/tonneau cover or spare tire or hitch.

 

[anderson0172]

Just my input here as I was in a similar situation to you. I had a 2020 3500 SRW short bed and now have a 2021 3500 DRW long bed. My 5th wheel is 15k and just a tick below 3k pin weight when loaded. With the trailer, my bed and passengers all loaded up my payload was maxed and my wife did not feel comfortable. She is the reason I got a dually but I am so glad she made me do it. The towing experience with the dually is just so much better, there is just never any drama in any situation and I have gotten used to driving it around town as it's my daily driver and that is now no problem. I feel it was a great decision for us to go DRW.

 

[gimmie11s]

Just my input here as I was in a similar situation to you. I had a 2020 3500 SRW short bed and now have a 2021 3500 DRW long bed. My 5th wheel is 15k and just a tick below 3k pin weight when loaded. With the trailer, my bed and passengers all loaded up my payload was maxed and my wife did not feel comfortable. She is the reason I got a dually but I am so glad she made me do it. The towing experience with the dually is just so much better, there is just never any drama in any situation and I have gotten used to driving it around town as it's my daily driver and that is now no problem. I feel it was a great decision for us to go DRW.

They sure do tow nice, dont they! Definitely confidence inspiring and a "one hand on the wheel" experience 99% of the time.

 

[anderson0172]

They sure do tow nice, dont they! Definitely confidence inspiring and a "one hand on the wheel" experience 99% of the time.

Exactly, 1 hand on the wheel and relax!

 

[RV_Goose]

I dont have any toys (yet). We use the garage as a bunkhouse for the kids.
Hitch is a Andersen ultimate 5th wheel that uses the goose ball. Only way I can think to shift it is to change factory goose prep to B&W and then use their offset.
Where do I find the axle ratings? I believe this has the same axles as the dually and the only difference is the extra tires.

GAWR for my 2020 RAM 3500 is 9750. Not the same as the SRW trucks. The 2019 and 2020 SRW 3500 only added 1500 pounds of payload over my 2013 RAM 2500. So I knew I needed a DRW so I am not truck limited when buying my next toyhauler.