No ethanol gasoline.

[Rodehawg97]

I've now put 3,000 miles on the 2022 PW I bought used. I got a baseline using 15% ethanol then started filling the tank with no ethanol gasoline and I'm getting 8 to 10% better fuel mileage and a noticeable increase in power. On a recent 4 day 1,000 mile trip to the mountains of New Mexico, including a day of off-roading I averaged 13.6 mpg for the entire trip. I'm pleased with that and even with the extra $.75/gallon for the no-ethanol I'm sticking with it. Anyone else running no ethanol gasoline?

 

[unclelala]

I've now put 3,000 miles on the 2022 PW I bought used. I got a baseline using 15% ethanol then started filling the tank with no ethanol gasoline and I'm getting 8 to 10% better fuel mileage and a noticeable increase in power. On a recent 4 day 1,000 mile trip to the mountains of New Mexico, including a day of off-roading I averaged 13.6 mpg for the entire trip. I'm pleased with that and even with the extra $.75/gallon for the no-ethanol I'm sticking with it. Anyone else running no ethanol gasoline?

I'm in the greater Toronto area, the only reliable source of no ethanol is Shell which I use on all my lawn, chainsaws and snow equipment and used to use it on my Ram 1500.
I did feel the 5.7 did run better on the no ethanol but I didn't really pay that much attention to the MPG. My wife uses ANYTHING in her car.
I still use Shell diesel when I can get it.

 

[Dodgeman]

Sorry in advance for the rant. The ethanol program, under the guise of “reducing oil consumption”, has always been an income transfer program from the taxpayer/driver to corn growers. Thank you, Bob Dole (RIP). Like most subsidies, once in place, the efficiency of the program no longer matters. Years ago, Cornell University published a study showing the full production cycle of ethanol, farmer to pump, used more fossil sourced oil than it saved. Ethanol provides less energy than gasoline, thus reducing fuel mpg (an added benefit to producers, you have to buy more of it). It attracts water, potentially damaging fuel systems. The alcohol rots the synthetic fuel tanks in boats and some of the fuel components in older vehicles, especially if they aren’t used regularly. It shortens the life of small engines like lawn mowers. It damages the fuel systems of vehicles when used in percentages greater than the vehicle was designed for. It diverts food crops from food production, raising food prices. What’s not to like?

Don’t get me started on the push to increase the percentages of biodiesel.

 

[JDMHero47]

I've now put 3,000 miles on the 2022 PW I bought used. I got a baseline using 15% ethanol then started filling the tank with no ethanol gasoline and I'm getting 8 to 10% better fuel mileage and a noticeable increase in power. On a recent 4 day 1,000 mile trip to the mountains of New Mexico, including a day of off-roading I averaged 13.6 mpg for the entire trip. I'm pleased with that and even with the extra $.75/gallon for the no-ethanol I'm sticking with it. Anyone else running no ethanol gasoline?

I used No-ethanol gas in a '88 carbed motor I could manually tune and never saw any difference on the dyno or in mpg... Never spending a dime for watered down gasoline ever again, but that's my $.02.

I'm curious what your highway mpg is without off-roading? What was the Octane rating of your fuel?

I got 18.6 mpg (hand calc'd) from Albuquerque to Farmington NM as my best so far; but I had to mix 3 gallons of E-85 into my tank in order to get to 15% ethanol. How did you get the 15% baseline if most stations barely sell you 8% ethanol at the pump??

 

[Great White North Eh]

Biodiesel ………the next big scam.

 

[JDMHero47]

I've now put 3,000 miles on the 2022 PW I bought used. I got a baseline using 15% ethanol then started filling the tank with no ethanol gasoline and I'm getting 8 to 10% better fuel mileage and a noticeable increase in power. On a recent 4 day 1,000 mile trip to the mountains of New Mexico, including a day of off-roading I averaged 13.6 mpg for the entire trip. I'm pleased with that and even with the extra $.75/gallon for the no-ethanol I'm sticking with it. Anyone else running no ethanol gasoline?

Also... Could you please explain the "noticeable increase in power" ??

From what I know: Fuel + Air = explosion. (More) Fuel + (More) Air = (Bigger) explosion.

The O2 sensors will keep the amount of fuel & Air going into the cylinder at a set amount, controlled precisely by the ecm. Since E0 gasoline has no Oxygenators in the fuel (runs more rich, since chemical reaction during combustion produces no additional O2), your ecm will inject less fuel into your N/A motor's cylinders in order to stay stoichiometric. So: (Less) Fuel + (Less) Air = (Smaller) explosion.... so better fuel economy at the expense of peak power??

Have you tried putting in 1 gal. of E85 for every 5 gal. of gas in the tank? I'm going to do that testing at some point before the outside temps here drop below 80, but I'd love to get an extra data point from someone else. I'm pretty sure we have the same gears (4.10s) in our trucks?

 

[Keeper79]

In the most non scientific manner of things for testing ethanol vs non ethanol I have my motorcycles.

Have 2 street bikes and 3 track (road course) bikes. The different in fuels in throttle response and acceleration is noticeable. (Wish I could blame it for lap times but sadly its the rider) About 15 yrs ago we finally started getting non ethanol available, I could slow to 20mph in 6th gear and roll back onto the throttle with ethanol and the bike would chug a little trying to over come the inefficiency till about 40mph and smooth back out and accelerate like normal. Same bike, same day with a low fuel light I fill up with non ethanol. We go about 20 or so miles bike is smoother, less vibes in pegs, bars, same test 6th gear slow to 20mph and roll back onto throttle. No chugging but a steady build up of speed. Not exactly scientific but this on a dyno tuned bike that was tuned with ethanol gas and can compensate for elevation and advance or retard for better burning. Only thing that changed was the gasoline in her belly.

As for track bikes, where you screaming in your helmet at the bike to go faster as you have the throttle pinned aiming for the next braking marker. I carry race cans full of non ethanol, if I run out of that and use regular ethanol gas you can tell a difference in the tighter corners where you are on and off the gas over and over and feel a loss of mid range torque.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I'm in the greater Toronto area, the only reliable source of no ethanol is Shell which I use on all my lawn, chainsaws and snow equipment and used to use it on my Ram 1500.
I did feel the 5.7 did run better on the no ethanol but I didn't really pay that much attention to the MPG. My wife uses ANYTHING in her car.
I still use Shell diesel when I can get it.

Ewww the GTA lol

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Ethanol kills your millage not your power so when i had gassers i would run no ethanol and get slightly better millage

 

[unclelala]

Ewww the GTA lol

I couldn't agree more...we are working on it but still have the mother in law in a home near by.

 

[jerryw1000]

I don't doubt that non-ethanol performs better, but here regular gas is $2.99 a gallon and non-ethanol is $3.99 a gallon. I can't justify paying 25% more for fuel to get 10% better mileage.

 

[kirk-35]

I’ve noticed most pumps that have 100% gas in my area have a sticker on the pump that says this is not a “insert brand” product. I asked a friend who is a chemist for Chevron and he told me that the pure gas doesn’t have the same additive package as the top tier gas. You might want to consider adding a bottle of Techron or something similar at each fill-up if you’re planning to run the 100% gas full time.