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I recently retired and plan to travel via a new Dodge Ram and slide-in camper. I’ve owned four Dodge products over the last three decades (1 Dodge Ram 2500 hemi; 1 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel; one Jeep Wrangler, and my latest Dodge Ram 3500 tradesman diesel):

I bought my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 Diesel Oct 5, 2024, for $66,576 cash. I tried to purchase it through my local deal but it didn't work out. You see, the day after I deposited my $1,000 (non-refundable) for the dealership to trailer the truck from Helena to Rexburg, the sales staff trade-in agent downgraded my trade-in value from $25,000 to $16,000. They had me over a barrel, lost my trust, so I decided to back out of the deal. I disputed the deposit charge through my bank and I'm still waiting for a result. So much for keeping my purchases local and supporting local business owners and staff.


My neighbor located the truck I wanted to purchase through its VIN and found it in Helena. I purchased the truck and outfitted it for my slide-in camper in Missoula (rear air bags, runners, and camper tie-downs.). I hit the road and near Portland the check engine light came on. O' Reily's coded the truck on Saturday, October 19. The code showed a transmission sensor problem and I was told it should be fine to continue driving since the transmission hadn't shown any signs of failure. By this time my new truck had 1,345 miles.

I drove to Eugene, Oregon, to the Lithia Dodge Dealership and on Monday, Oct. 21, was told by the assistant service manager it was ok to continue to drive the truck until it showed signs of slippage or failure. Later that afternoon the transmission dropped out. Fortunately I was able to hobble the truck (on a small incline on I 5 northbound the transmission failed to engage 4th gear.) I was able to shut down the engine, restart and gain 150 yards at a time and then repeat the process until I reached Eugene Kamper World - exit 199. There I removed the camper and contacted Dodge Ram Care. After a twenty-five minute hold, Dodge Ram Care provided the tow and car rental (I am to be reimbursed for the car rental when I mail in the receipt). Dodge Rame Care does not cover living accommodations.

Its been two weeks and the new transmission has yet to be installed. It arrived from Detroit on Tuesday, Oct 29. Service manager told me, even though he would be off on Friday, it would be installed with-in 24-48 hours but definitely finished by Friday, November 1. That he would personally make it happen. When I didn’t receive a call Friday morning I tried calling the deanship several times but no one answered. I decided to visit the dealership and was told the truck isn’t finished and it would be the following week.

There you have it. I remain in the campground ($620 and counting). I am soured on Ram products, their dealerships and the so called “Dodge Ram Care” program. I find the service lacking, their disposition toward customer care nonexistent, misleading and demeaning. In no way do I feel peace of mind owning a product made by Dodge Ram. I don’t know a way Dodge can win back my support…In fact, I don’t think they care about winning back my support. If and when I get my truck back I'll sell it at a loss and find a new brand.
 
I recently retired and plan to travel via a new Dodge Ram and slide-in camper. I’ve owned four Dodge products over the last three decades (1 Dodge Ram 2500 hemi; 1 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel; one Jeep Wrangler, and my latest Dodge Ram 3500 tradesman diesel):

I bought my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 Diesel Oct 5, 2024, for $66,576 cash. I tried to purchase it through my local deal but it didn't work out. You see, the day after I deposited my $1,000 (non-refundable) for the dealership to trailer the truck from Helena to Rexburg, the sales staff trade-in agent downgraded my trade-in value from $25,000 to $16,000. They had me over a barrel, lost my trust, so I decided to back out of the deal. I disputed the deposit charge through my bank and I'm still waiting for a result. So much for keeping my purchases local and supporting local business owners and staff.


My neighbor located the truck I wanted to purchase through its VIN and found it in Helena. I purchased the truck and outfitted it for my slide-in camper in Missoula (rear air bags, runners, and camper tie-downs.). I hit the road and near Portland the check engine light came on. O' Reily's coded the truck on Saturday, October 19. The code showed a transmission sensor problem and I was told it should be fine to continue driving since the transmission hadn't shown any signs of failure. By this time my new truck had 1,345 miles.

I drove to Eugene, Oregon, to the Lithia Dodge Dealership and on Monday, Oct. 21, was told by the assistant service manager it was ok to continue to drive the truck until it showed signs of slippage or failure. Later that afternoon the transmission dropped out. Fortunately I was able to hobble the truck (on a small incline on I 5 northbound the transmission failed to engage 4th gear.) I was able to shut down the engine, restart and gain 150 yards at a time and then repeat the process until I reached Eugene Kamper World - exit 199. There I removed the camper and contacted Dodge Ram Care. After a twenty-five minute hold, Dodge Ram Care provided the tow and car rental (I am to be reimbursed for the car rental when I mail in the receipt). Dodge Rame Care does not cover living accommodations.

Its been two weeks and the new transmission has yet to be installed. It arrived from Detroit on Tuesday, Oct 29. Service manager told me, even though he would be off on Friday, it would be installed with-in 24-48 hours but definitely finished by Friday, November 1. That he would personally make it happen. When I didn’t receive a call Friday morning I tried calling the deanship several times but no one answered. I decided to visit the dealership and was told the truck isn’t finished and it would be the following week.

There you have it. I remain in the campground ($620 and counting). I am soured on Ram products, their dealerships and the so called “Dodge Ram Care” program. I find the service lacking, their disposition toward customer care nonexistent, misleading and demeaning. In no way do I feel peace of mind owning a product made by Dodge Ram. I don’t know a way Dodge can win back my support…In fact, I don’t think they care about winning back my support. If and when I get my truck back I'll sell it at a loss and find a new brand.
First its just RAM not DODGE second you cant base your decision off one or 2 dealers failures happen no brand is going to be problem free but to sell a vehicle at a loss after it has been fixed for free is pretty silly…. Most people have many hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles. My 19 has been flawless other than DEF freeze ups but thats more because of my location not the truck
 
Well, not much comfort to the OP, but I have followed the recent problems with Stellantis North America (parent company to Ram, Jeep and others). Due to their CEO mismanagement, Ram sales are in the dumper, and dealers are slammed with loads of inventory that they can't sell. Dealers are furious, and thus service is also taking a hit due to dealers getting hammered by having to pay for all of the unsold vehicles on the lots (Jeeps too) and no improvement in sight. The CEO, Tavares, resisted lowering prices during the economic downturn trying to wring as much profit out of the brands as possible, and now dealers are all paying the price, literally.

So unfortunately, it's not just the OP suffering, but it's widespread across the country. Ford and GM saw the writing on the wall and began offering incentives as soon as the economy started sliding, and thus are not in as much of a bind as Stellantis is. I guess Tavares didn't get the memo.....
 
Interesting that you bought a 2024 Dodge Ram as it doesn’t exist. The last Dodge made Ram left the production line approx 15 years ago.
 
Interesting that you bought a 2024 Dodge Ram as it doesn’t exist. The last Dodge made Ram left the production line approx 15 years ago.
True, and I've lost track of their name today. When I'm talking to a "Ram Care" person, I usually spout off all of their names followed by "or whatever you call yourselves today".

Yeah, Stellantis seems to have screwed themselves all the way down to the dealers. My local dealer has been sold (again) and seems like a slum now, inspire of their "remodeling". I have a recurrent issue with my UConect system, and have been told by the Service Manager that it isn't a driveability issue, and he has no loaners. So if he needs to keep the trucker a few days I'm screwed. This is insipid of having still being under warranty and having an extended warranty. Ram Cares is a Pathetic and Poor excuse for customer service. You can't seem to get through without a wait of at least an hour, only to be told that your case manager is "not available". I don't hold much faith with the "Ram Care" reps on this Forum either...

So yeah, I feel for petezwag, the OP.
 
True, and I've lost track of their name today. When I'm talking to a "Ram Care" person, I usually spout off all of their names followed by "or whatever you call yourselves today".

Yeah, Stellantis seems to have screwed themselves all the way down to the dealers. My local dealer has been sold (again) and seems like a slum now, inspire of their "remodeling". I have a recurrent issue with my UConect system, and have been told by the Service Manager that it isn't a driveability issue, and he has no loaners. So if he needs to keep the trucker a few days I'm screwed. This is insipid of having still being under warranty and having an extended warranty. Ram Cares is a Pathetic and Poor excuse for customer service. You can't seem to get through without a wait of at least an hour, only to be told that your case manager is "not available". I don't hold much faith with the "Ram Care" reps on this Forum either...

So yeah, I feel for petezwag, the OP.
All brands have gone downhill its the era of high costs and poor service
 
<SNIP> Ram Cares is a Pathetic and Poor excuse for customer service. You can't seem to get through without a wait of at least an hour, only to be told that your case manager is "not available". I don't hold much faith with the "Ram Care" reps on this Forum either...

<SNIP>

Just so it's clear, this site has no direct affiliation with the brand.

@RamCares is generally found on every enthusiast site and social media platform. Fact of the matter is they HAVE helped a lot of owners resolve issues, primarily related to poor dealer service. I also believe they helped push the CP4.2 HPFP issue up the food chain and contributed, no matter how small, to a final resolution.
 
FWIW I bought local in Nampa Idaho and have been 100% satisfied with my dealer and sales experience. Got the truck I wanted at the price I felt good about. They have been good with the recall fixes, the one free service I had them do, and getting my Uconnect to work good. My 2022 ctd only has 13,500 miles mostly towing and no issues. Sorry for your bad dealer experience and the trouble wi to your new truck. What a disappointment that must be
 
I recently retired and plan to travel via a new Dodge Ram and slide-in camper. I’ve owned four Dodge products over the last three decades (1 Dodge Ram 2500 hemi; 1 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel; one Jeep Wrangler, and my latest Dodge Ram 3500 tradesman diesel):

I bought my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 Diesel Oct 5, 2024, for $66,576 cash. I tried to purchase it through my local deal but it didn't work out. You see, the day after I deposited my $1,000 (non-refundable) for the dealership to trailer the truck from Helena to Rexburg, the sales staff trade-in agent downgraded my trade-in value from $25,000 to $16,000. They had me over a barrel, lost my trust, so I decided to back out of the deal. I disputed the deposit charge through my bank and I'm still waiting for a result. So much for keeping my purchases local and supporting local business owners and staff.


My neighbor located the truck I wanted to purchase through its VIN and found it in Helena. I purchased the truck and outfitted it for my slide-in camper in Missoula (rear air bags, runners, and camper tie-downs.). I hit the road and near Portland the check engine light came on. O' Reily's coded the truck on Saturday, October 19. The code showed a transmission sensor problem and I was told it should be fine to continue driving since the transmission hadn't shown any signs of failure. By this time my new truck had 1,345 miles.

I drove to Eugene, Oregon, to the Lithia Dodge Dealership and on Monday, Oct. 21, was told by the assistant service manager it was ok to continue to drive the truck until it showed signs of slippage or failure. Later that afternoon the transmission dropped out. Fortunately I was able to hobble the truck (on a small incline on I 5 northbound the transmission failed to engage 4th gear.) I was able to shut down the engine, restart and gain 150 yards at a time and then repeat the process until I reached Eugene Kamper World - exit 199. There I removed the camper and contacted Dodge Ram Care. After a twenty-five minute hold, Dodge Ram Care provided the tow and car rental (I am to be reimbursed for the car rental when I mail in the receipt). Dodge Rame Care does not cover living accommodations.

Its been two weeks and the new transmission has yet to be installed. It arrived from Detroit on Tuesday, Oct 29. Service manager told me, even though he would be off on Friday, it would be installed with-in 24-48 hours but definitely finished by Friday, November 1. That he would personally make it happen. When I didn’t receive a call Friday morning I tried calling the deanship several times but no one answered. I decided to visit the dealership and was told the truck isn’t finished and it would be the following week.

There you have it. I remain in the campground ($620 and counting). I am soured on Ram products, their dealerships and the so called “Dodge Ram Care” program. I find the service lacking, their disposition toward customer care nonexistent, misleading and demeaning. In no way do I feel peace of mind owning a product made by Dodge Ram. I don’t know a way Dodge can win back my support…In fact, I don’t think they care about winning back my support. If and when I get my truck back I'll sell it at a loss and find a new brand.
I realize you are frustrated and basically just wanting to vent - believe me, many of us have been there and many still are. Regulars on this board are probably tired of hearing me rant about my experiences with Ford dealerships, Ford Cares and Ford Corporate. I had a perfectly good truck that I took to the dealer religiously for maintenance. I paid a lot of money and trusted them to do their job. They ruined my truck. I ended up going to a local shop, getting it repaired and immediately traded it in on my Ram.
I don't kid myself into thinking Stellantis is any better than Ford, nor are the dealerships in my area. In fact, where I live Ford, Chevy, Ram, Toyota, Kia and Hyundai dealerships are all owned by the same crook and "technicians" are moved from shop to shop for various (or no) reasons.
I count myself fortunate that I appear to have gotten a truck with no problems and feel for folks that have to deal with problems that really shouldn't exist in the first place exacerbated by incompetent, indifferent "professionals" with no accountability.
The dealer apparently has your new transmission on hand and you've got a roof over your head. Let's hope the situation gets resolved sooner rather than later and you get to enjoy your adventure on the road.
 
This is my 4th Ram 94,06,14,20 outside of recalls which weren't many I have had zero problems . The 14 and 20, I have towed thousands upon thousands of miles with a 15 k 5th wheel behind me never one issue ! You're getting a new transmission and a rental . Things could be worse . Ford ,Chevy ,GMC they all have problems , that is why they have mechanics and service bays. Your retired many people never do, enjoy it !
 
Just so it's clear, this site has no direct affiliation with the brand.

@RamCares is generally found on every enthusiast site and social media platform. Fact of the matter is they HAVE helped a lot of owners resolve issues, primarily related to poor dealer service. I also believe they helped push the CP4.2 HPFP issue up the food chain and contributed, no matter how small, to a final resolution.
I understand this, and I have seen a RamCares rep jump in. I have even been working with one offline via DM. However, my current experience is even this method is short of a 5 Star experience. I did speak with the "Chrysler Customer Service Center" this morning. I was still unable to discuss my case with my Agent, however the Rep I did speak with has escalated my concerns and Case. This is a positive. But Stellantis and others need to stop blaming (fill in the blank) for poor service and unresponsive correspondence.
My issue does not affect the driveability of my truck, but what about those who do have driveability issues like the OP.
My selling dealer was awesome!
My current servicing dealer was reliable, until recently being sold. The point of my initial response was the frustration of being able to easily elevate issues.
Sorry for the rant...
 
I realize you are frustrated and basically just wanting to vent - believe me, many of us have been there and many still are. Regulars on this board are probably tired of hearing me rant about my experiences with Ford dealerships, Ford Cares and Ford Corporate. I had a perfectly good truck that I took to the dealer religiously for maintenance. I paid a lot of money and trusted them to do their job. They ruined my truck. I ended up going to a local shop, getting it repaired and immediately traded it in on my Ram.
I don't kid myself into thinking Stellantis is any better than Ford, nor are the dealerships in my area. In fact, where I live Ford, Chevy, Ram, Toyota, Kia and Hyundai dealerships are all owned by the same crook and "technicians" are moved from shop to shop for various (or no) reasons.
I count myself fortunate that I appear to have gotten a truck with no problems and feel for folks that have to deal with problems that really shouldn't exist in the first place exacerbated by incompetent, indifferent "professionals" with no accountability.
The dealer apparently has your new transmission on hand and you've got a roof over your head. Let's hope the situation gets resolved sooner rather than later and you get to enjoy your adventure on the road.
I agree that all manufactures have similar issues. On this forum, we hear mostly about Stellantis/RAM, so that seems to be where most of our comments are aimed to .
I believe when dealerships began to be acquired (sucked up) by large groups, they lost their individual identity and incentive to "build" lasting relationships with their customers. The new ownership wants all of their properties to look the same, and in some instances move staff around. The push for more profits becomes painfully obvious. Yet you can only put so much lipstick on a pig.

This has been my experience. I've been getting my trucks serviced here for over 20 years with no problems. Recently, within the last 12 months, the Service Department has turned over Advisors/Writters (with the exception of 1 or 2) at least times. I think I am on the 4th or 5th Service Manager. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know they've gone through mechanics for various reasons.

I don't believe many dealerships/groups realize that besides quality, Service is what keeps customers returning, not only to the Dealer but also the Brand.
 
i guess it depends on who you get from ram cares, when i contacted them it took a few days to get anywhere but once the ball started rolling they were calling me daily for updates, calling the dealer for updates ect. it was never the dealer fault since they were waiting like i was for the transmission to arrive. maybe the lady i was working with just did her job well.
 
i guess it depends on who you get from ram cares, when i contacted them it took a few days to get anywhere but once the ball started rolling they were calling me daily for updates, calling the dealer for updates ect. it was never the dealer fault since they were waiting like i was for the transmission to arrive. maybe the lady i was working with just did her job well.
I think time will tell. Seeing how my experience a year ago went, I'm not very optimistic. Last year the dealer wasn't getting much help from the "engineers", and my "STAR" Case/Report was quietly closed by the same "engineers" because of "non response" from the Dealer Techs. The Service Manager at the time was at a loss as well. So we had to start all over.

On the other hand, I don't think the Dealer's themselves are able to get the quality techs they need to service the ever-growing complexities we see in our vehicles. Not to be harsh, my issues don't affect the driveability of my truck. I feel for those who have driveability issues and are unable to drive their vehicles.

As a customer, I see both the Manufacturer and Dealer at fault. To use a saying I learned from an old boss, "...don't share the labor pains, just show me the baby...".
 
I do agree with the comments that it has a lot to do with the dealership you're dealing with and the individuals. Some are just better than others. And yeah there's a definite shortage of experienced diesel techs these days. Not as many getting into the trade I've heard. On the other hand, there's a lot more electricians out there these days and the field is growing it seems which I think is a good thing. Trying to push my oldest college-age son to look at the trades field versus becoming another IT software developer, but I digress...
 
I do agree with the comments that it has a lot to do with the dealership you're dealing with and the individuals. Some are just better than others. And yeah there's a definite shortage of experienced diesel techs these days. Not as many getting into the trade I've heard. On the other hand, there's a lot more electricians out there these days and the field is growing it seems which I think is a good thing. Trying to push my oldest college-age son to look at the trades field versus becoming another IT software developer, but I digress...
I agree
 
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