In the governments attempt at green.

[Deleted member 21465]

First of all please this isn't a policital post about one party or the other. This is about government in general. So on my 2020 Ram 2500 I have a DPF. Great to capture particals that might cause cancer. I retired last year and wrote a check for my 2020 so trading cost me mney. Now that I'm retired I drive about 28 miles a week. That's two trips to town, 7.2 miles from my house. Recently I got the dreaded P242 code and have been watching my DPF ever since. Seems I don't drive enough to keep my DPF clean, now I have to schedule a trip to burn fuel every 5-6 weeks to keep my DPF clean. Seems someone didn;t think through the DPF full effects when implemented.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

First of all please this isn't a policital post about one party or the other. This is about government in general. So on my 2020 Ram 2500 I have a DPF. Great to capture particals that might cause cancer. I retired last year and wrote a check for my 2020 so trading cost me mney. Now that I'm retired I drive about 28 miles a week. That's two trips to town, 7.2 miles from my house. Recently I got the dreaded P242 code and have been watching my DPF ever since. Seems I don't drive enough to keep my DPF clean, now I have to schedule a trip to burn fuel every 5-6 weeks to keep my DPF clean. Seems someone didn;t think through the DPF full effects when implemented.

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Do you even have a need for a diesel? if you dont work the truck you will have emissions issues right now with the money people are getting on trade ins you would most likely not loose money or very little

 

[Deleted member 21465]

Do you even have a need for a diesel? if you dont work the truck you will have emissions issues right now with the money people are getting on trade ins you would most likely not loose money or very little

I want a diesel, what does it matter my needs? Actually when I move my tractor, pull a fence post or pull my horse trailer a diesel is nice, however what does that matter? My point is government regulation may create unneeded pollution. Please that is lose money not loose money.

 

[Deleted member 21465]

Believe me I'm not trying to be facetious. We have a government that tells me that they have seen the science and climate change is real. When I was young they said we were entering another ice age. In the 90's it was global warming. When neither came to pass it was climate change. We have NASA telling us the oceans are rising by .006 inches a year and apparently have been since the 1800s. Now the same government can't admit what a man or a woman is using science (a woman has two X chromosomes and a man has an X and a Y chromosome). My post is these are the same people telling me my truck needs a DPF filter!

 

[fuchsroehre]

Delete the truck. You have my blessing.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I want a diesel, what does it matter my needs? Actually when I move my tractor, pull a fence post or pull my horse trailer a diesel is nice, however what does that matter? My point is government regulation may create unneeded pollution. Please that is lose money not loose money.

Its just a question….

You can cry about the government all you want it wont change anything and it will only get worse.

Short trips kill diesels even the older trucks with no emissions had issues with not being worked hard. If you are adamant about keeping a diesel and not working it regularly your best bet is to delete it, And when you do drive it the little you do let it warm up and drive it hard it will help the engine in many ways…

If you do decide to delete it i suggest you wait until the CP4 recall gets done otherwise you will NOT qualify for the recall of the HPFP

 

[kevin588127]

I feel like the whole thing is just BS to get them to pass a sniffer test. Emission system just traps the stuff only to "burn" it out later. Makes a lot of sense.
I want a diesel but can't justify the added cost and potential problems that come with it for the 10 percent of the time that the diesel would be beneficial.
I work for the state government on a military base and before that, did 20 years military. In the past, it was almost mandatory for our vehicles to be diesel due to their fuel efficiency. That has now changed, we don't buy any diesels. Turns out, the modern diesels don't like to idle or putt around the base at 15 mph. It has become a big problem for our vehicle maintenance squadron. Most users have to take their trucks out on the interstate once a week to clean them out. Again, makes lots of sense.

 

[Deleted member 21465]

I feel like the whole thing is just BS to get them to pass a sniffer test. Emission system just traps the stuff only to "burn" it out later. Makes a lot of sense.
I want a diesel but can't justify the added cost and potential problems that come with it for the 10 percent of the time that the diesel would be beneficial.
I work for the state government on a military base and before that, did 20 years military. In the past, it was almost mandatory for our vehicles to be diesel due to their fuel efficiency. That has now changed, we don't buy any diesels. Turns out, the modern diesels don't like to idle or putt around the base at 15 mph. It has become a big problem for our vehicle maintenance squadron. Most users have to take their trucks out on the interstate once a week to clean them out. Again, makes lots of sense.

There are many large cities that have IM240 standards now for state inspections which require all emissions to be in place and the state plugs into the ALDL to check for flags and codes before it will pass. The DFW area and Houston in Texas have been that way for years. Trucks that have been deleted cannot be sold by a dealer in that area and must be sold to rural dealers that do not have to comply with IM240 standards.

 

[flan]

If you do decide to delete it i suggest you wait until the CP4 recall gets done otherwise you will NOT qualify for the recall of the HPFP

I feel like you are wrong about this statement since it is a mandatory safety recall, not general warranty work. I briefly searched the www and could not find anything from any of the federal sites either backing up your claim, or proving it bunk. Do you have any documentation other than hearsay on this statement?

 

[Deleted member 21465]

I feel like you are wrong about this statement since it is a mandatory safety recall, not general warranty work. I briefly searched the www and could not find anything from any of the federal sites either backing up your claim, or proving it bunk. Do you have any documentation other than hearsay on this statement?

His statement is incorrect. A dealer cannot refuse a recall based on modifications done to the truck that do not directly effect the pump. Even on warranty the only time it can be denied is if the modification can be proven to have directly effected the failed part.

 

[flan]

His statement is incorrect. A dealer cannot refuse a recall based on modifications done to the truck that do not directly effect the pump. Even on warranty the only time it can be denied is if the modification can be proven to have directly effected the failed part.

That’s my general understanding, but I’ve never seen it on paper. (From a reliable source)..

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I feel like you are wrong about this statement since it is a mandatory safety recall, not general warranty work. I briefly searched the www and could not find anything from any of the federal sites either backing up your claim, or proving it bunk. Do you have any documentation other than hearsay on this statement?

I called the dealer (3 different dealers) and also FCA they can refuse it because they cant preform the reflash on the computer as it will overwrite the delete programing and they cant release the vehicle if there are any MIL lit up… its not hear say its been the common statement even talking with my lawyer he said they are within their right to do so

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

His statement is incorrect. A dealer cannot refuse a recall based on modifications done to the truck that do not directly effect the pump. Even on warranty the only time it can be denied is if the modification can be proven to have directly effected the failed part.

Part of the recall is a computer flash which conflicts with the delete programing….

 

[Deleted member 21465]

I called the dealer and also FCA they can refuse it because they cant preform the reflash on the computer as it will over wright the delete programing and they cant release the vehicle if there are any MIL lit up… its not hear say its been the common statement even talking with my lawyer he said they are within their right to do so

I suggest you get a new attorney. Since when can a dealer not release a car with a check engine light? People decline work and drive off from dealers daily.

 

[Deleted member 21465]

Part of the recall is a computer flash which conflicts with the delete programing….

It doesn't matter, let them over write the flash. You can quickly flash it back.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

It doesn't matter, let them over wright the flash. You can quickly flash it back.

They cant release the vehicle legally with any CEL on which the light would be on from all the emissions stuff gone…

 

[Deleted member 21465]

They cant release the vehicle legally with any CEL on which the light would be on from all the emissions stuff gone…

Never have I read a more incorrect statement. People leave dealers daily with CEL lights on and repairs declined. They are not the smog police.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I suggest you get a new attorney. Since when can a dealer not release a car with a check engine light? People decline work and drive off from dealers daily.

2 very different scenarios also you americans have the MMA to protect you we dont in canada so you may be fine

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Never have I read a more incorrect statement. People leave dealers daily with CEL lights on and repairs declined. They are not the smog police.

Not after the dealer preformed the work….

 

[Deleted member 21465]

Not after the dealer preformed the work….

Again that is incorrect. This really has nothing to do with the point I was making. You seem to want to argue about something completely different which one of us has 45 years of personal experience with. The original point is that the government in their lack of wisdom may in fact create more polution and cause people to consume larger amounts of fuel in a false attempt to look green. If you want to argue if I need the truck or if repairs will be performed after any changes are made that has nothing to do with my statement.