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I have a well proportioned package.

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Truck and trailer package that is. Up until today I used book numbers for weight, but today I went to the scales. No suprise it was heavier than I originally thought. Here are the specs.

The truck is a 2024 RAM 2500 4x4, regular cab, long bed, gas with 4.10 gears.

The trailer is a 2 car Kaufman gooseneck 44' overall length, 36' of deck space with two 7K dexter axles.

These weights are rounded up to the next 100 pounds.

TRUCK
Front axle 4,000
Rear axle 4,400

Includes me, all tools, jack, straps chains and full fuel.
Includes 1,200 pin weight
Total 8,400

trailer axle weight 3,500
trailer Empty weight 4700
combined EW 11,900

GCWR 24,200
payload 12,300

rear axle limit 6,390
max pin weight 3,190

I say well proportioned because it runs out of capacity in every way at the same time. Check my math for me.

if i max out the the GVWR everything else is maxed out. One experience i had was a pair of 1500 trucks, using book curb weight numbers it max out the payload, Rear axle weight, trailer axle weight and deck space 2 feet of the rear truck was hanging off the back.

I am curious what other people's experiences are with regards to how heavy there truck and trailers are and if they having excess capacity in one area while running out in another.

Slightly off topic, there was a GMC 2500 ahead of me, after he dropped his load and was reweighed he still came in at 8540 I don't know how to tell what year it was but it was in excellent condition so I suspect it was relatively new. Obviously I don't know what was inside but that seems heavy to me.
 
That must be a pretty light duty trailer to be that long and 4700LBS? My 20ft bumper pull deck over is 3600lbs
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
Yea thats pretty minimalist but it should work great for the intended purpose
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So far it has worked great. I have had it about 7 months, put about 11,000 miles on it. No complaints. I did look at higher end trailers and no question better build quality but heavier. Except for aluminum Featherlite, but they are big bucks.
 
Airtim said:
So far it has worked great. I have had it about 7 months, put about 11,000 miles on it. No complaints. I did look at higher end trailers and no question better build quality but heavier. Except for aluminum Featherlite, but they are big bucks.
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I build heavy when I make trailers lol my 20ft deck over bumper pull is 3600lbs, the new deck over im building will be around 4k or a bit more lol
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
I build heavy when I make trailers lol my 20ft deck over bumper pull is 3600lbs, the new deck over im building will be around 4k or a bit more lol
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Wow, you build your own trailers! That is pretty cool. Do you do it professionally or just for your own use? I was thinking about what you said earlier with regards to how light my trailer is. I think to simply extend a trailer would not add much weight. the only thing it had more of is the steel for the length. No additional wheels, axles, tongue etc. Unless it is only going to be used for cars you likely have heavy duty wood decking and the structure for it. Where as mine is the structure of the trailer and heavy mesh. When I was getting in to transporting I looked at Big Tex trailers and a 14GN 35' deck with dovetail ramps was around 6,600 pounds empty. That is 1,900 of payload I can't carry or half a Volvo XC70!
 
Airtim said:
Wow, you build your own trailers! That is pretty cool. Do you do it professionally or just for your own use? I was thinking about what you said earlier with regards to how light my trailer is. I think to simply extend a trailer would not add much weight. the only thing it had more of is the steel for the length. No additional wheels, axles, tongue etc. Unless it is only going to be used for cars you likely have heavy duty wood decking and the structure for it. Where as mine is the structure of the trailer and heavy mesh. When I was getting in to transporting I looked at Big Tex trailers and a 14GN 35' deck with dovetail ramps was around 6,600 pounds empty. That is 1,900 of payload I can't carry or half a Volvo XC70!
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I am a professional fabricator but I build my own trailers as i can build them for a fraction of the cost of trailers, the biggest difference is the structure. Kauffman builds the trailers you have lighter as they only have a single use. They build them with the weight in mind which is great. Mine are built heavy as I tend to over do it to future proof the stuff I build lol

I like the way they designed the trailer of yours, I may steal the design a bit when I build my dedicated SXS trailer.
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
I am a professional fabricator but I build my own trailers as i can build them for a fraction of the cost of trailers, the biggest difference is the structure. Kauffman builds the trailers you have lighter as they only have a single use. They build them with the weight in mind which is great. Mine are built heavy as I tend to over do it to future proof the stuff I build lol

I like the way they designed the trailer of yours, I may steal the design a bit when I build my dedicated SXS trailer.
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Would making it as light as possible be the objective of making a dedicated SXS trailer?
 
Airtim said:
Would making it as light as possible be the objective of making a dedicated SXS trailer?
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I mean a trailer to haul the SXS since my bike weighs almost 2k (1950lbs) I need to make a trailer that keeps me under the 3k total weight since ill be towing it behind the camper (hitch limit of 3k) or the wife will tow it with her van (3500lbs towing limit). Most trailers are around 1200-1500lbs so by going with a minimalist deign I can keep the trailer under 1000lbs
 
Airtim said:
Truck and trailer package that is. Up until today I used book numbers for weight, but today I went to the scales. No suprise it was heavier than I originally thought. Here are the specs.

The truck is a 2024 RAM 2500 4x4, regular cab, long bed, gas with 4.10 gears.

The trailer is a 2 car Kaufman gooseneck 44' overall length, 36' of deck space with two 7K dexter axles.

These weights are rounded up to the next 100 pounds.

TRUCK
Front axle 4,000
Rear axle 4,400

Includes me, all tools, jack, straps chains and full fuel.
Includes 1,200 pin weight
Total 8,400

trailer axle weight 3,500
trailer Empty weight 4700
combined EW 11,900

GCWR 24,200
payload 12,300

rear axle limit 6,390
max pin weight 3,190

I say well proportioned because it runs out of capacity in every way at the same time. Check my math for me.

if i max out the the GVWR everything else is maxed out. One experience i had was a pair of 1500 trucks, using book curb weight numbers it max out the payload, Rear axle weight, trailer axle weight and deck space 2 feet of the rear truck was hanging off the back.

I am curious what other people's experiences are with regards to how heavy there truck and trailers are and if they having excess capacity in one area while running out in another.

Slightly off topic, there was a GMC 2500 ahead of me, after he dropped his load and was reweighed he still came in at 8540 I don't know how to tell what year it was but it was in excellent condition so I suspect it was relatively new. Obviously I don't know what was inside but that seems heavy to me.
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Your trailers pin weight is 25% empty.

At 25% pin weight and your remaining RAWR you can increase the pin weight to 3,190 as stated, but that’s not going to max out the trailer weights at the same time like you mentioned. Your trailer would only be 12,760 with 9,570 on the axles. The pin weight would have to drop to 20% to max everything out at the same time, even then it won’t max the trailer axles just the trailer GVWR. To max the trailer axle and GVW ratings at the same time your pin weight would only be 12.5%, leaving plenty of capacity on the trucks rear axle.

The design of the trailer looks like pin weight might increase as it’s loaded, but hard to tell from just the photos posted. You’ll likely have to get some loaded weights and see how the pin weight shifts.
 
AH64ID said:
Your trailers pin weight is 25% empty.

At 25% pin weight and your remaining RAWR you can increase the pin weight to 3,190 as stated, but that’s not going to max out the trailer weights at the same time like you mentioned. Your trailer would only be 12,760 with 9,570 on the axles. The pin weight would have to drop to 20% to max everything out at the same time, even then it won’t max the trailer axles just the trailer GVWR. To max the trailer axle and GVW ratings at the same time your pin weight would only be 12.5%, leaving plenty of capacity on the trucks rear axle.

The design of the trailer looks like pin weight might increase as it’s loaded, but hard to tell from just the photos posted. You’ll likely have to get some loaded weights and see how the pin weight shifts.
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The axles are quite far back so it should load up the pin weight a decent amount when loaded
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
The axles are quite far back so it should load up the pin weight a decent amount when loaded
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What I thought too. Which means the RAWR will be obtained long before any other limit.
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
I mean a trailer to haul the SXS since my bike weighs almost 2k (1950lbs) I need to make a trailer that keeps me under the 3k total weight since ill be towing it behind the camper (hitch limit of 3k) or the wife will tow it with her van (3500lbs towing limit). Most trailers are around 1200-1500lbs so by going with a minimalist deign I can keep the trailer under 1000lbs
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Will you build it out of aluminum?
H3LZSN1P3R said:
The axles are quite far back so it should load up the pin weight a decent amount when loaded
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It does load up quick, the rear axle is what I need to keep an eye on. As seen in the picture the total weight was 23,100 and 2900 pin. I didn't try it the other way but I am sure it would have been too much weight on the pin.
 

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