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Banning of New Gas Cars - WA State

NY, CA, and MA are doing similar by 2035. Parts of Canada also. Should be interesting to see what happens with all the existing vehicles, and the trucking industry.
 
jadmt said:
NO this came out a while ago. sad but true. hopefully it gets killed and hopefully voters will open their eyes come voting time.
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I think ,much like Colorado, WA is lost forever. My son, DIL, and grandson#2 left there 2 years ago for TX and DIL is a native and still has family there. Though slowly, they are starting to bail as well.
 
Brutal_HO said:
I think ,much like Colorado, WA is lost forever. My son, DIL, and grandson#2 left there 2 years ago for TX and DIL is a native and still has family there. Though slowly, they are starting to bail as well.
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I'm ready to bail from Colorado. We have turned into a s4it 4ole with no end it sight.
 
Brutal_HO said:
I think ,much like Colorado, WA is lost forever. My son, DIL, and grandson#2 left there 2 years ago for TX and DIL is a native and still has family there. Though slowly, they are starting to bail as well.
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You aren't wrong. Lots of people we know have left already and the people that are staying are moving from the urban areas where everything is nuts to more rural areas where we live.
 
I wish I had gotten a picture of the freak that was in the grocery store yesterday. They used to put people like that in an "assisted living" facility.
 
Brutal_HO said:
I think ,much like Colorado, WA is lost forever. My son, DIL, and grandson#2 left there 2 years ago for TX and DIL is a native and still has family there. Though slowly, they are starting to bail as well.
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I don't disagree with this statement at all but I find is disappointing, although I understand. Generally, I find that those in blue states want to regulate what you're allowed to do to death, people that value freedom move out to greener pastures and after some time passes other blue folks move to those same places and start to enforce the same rules that caused them to leave. I've seen it multiple times in my lifetime, and I'm not old enough to have to make that statement. Watching it happen in places like Colorado, Montana, and even Texas now!

I wonder what happens in the future with our country daily...
 
Jesus guys, “lost forever“? “the freak I saw in the grocery store”? that’s some strong language. What’s the concern around banning CI engines?
 
RockaRhyme said:
Jesus guys, “lost forever“? “the freak I saw in the grocery store”? that’s some strong language. What’s the concern around banning CI engines?
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I think the concern is more around the continued speeding up of the transition. While electric vehicles have some a long way there are still many questions around long term reliability, cost, interstate charge support, local network charge support, and so on.

As legislators continue to push these "green" initiatives they don't seem to think much about what it will do to the end consumer or tax payer, not to mention that many, if not all, of these legislators are invested in many of the green company initiatives they are looking to push into law.

I love electric vehicles, I also love gas and diesel, but I understand the future is electric much in the same way that I love my record player, but I'm not so in love with it that I don't realize the benefits of Spotify and such.
 
UglyViking said:
I think the concern is more around the continued speeding up of the transition. While electric vehicles have some a long way there are still many questions around long term reliability, cost, interstate charge support, local network charge support, and so on.

As legislators continue to push these "green" initiatives they don't seem to think much about what it will do to the end consumer or tax payer, not to mention that many, if not all, of these legislators are invested in many of the green company initiatives they are looking to push into law.

I love electric vehicles, I also love gas and diesel, but I understand the future is electric much in the same way that I love my record player, but I'm not so in love with it that I don't realize the benefits of Spotify and such.
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Yeah, you’re absolutely right. It’s tough to imagine how we’re gonna manage the transition; I haven’t seen an EV charging station that can fit a truck and trailer… how much is gas for my boat gonna cost when it becomes a niche product… do they sell electric riding mowers? Tractors? Not to mention planes, trains, and other industrial stuff. There’s a ton that needs to be figured out and NO WAY its done by 2030.

That said… folks don’t do much if they don’t have to. hell we all know we’re gonna have to file our taxes every year, but I’ll bet you dollars to donuts there’s a long long line at the post office come April 18th. People don’t like change either... we were inches away from a second civil war when they got rid of incandescent lightbulbs. I worry for states taking the dive early, but there’s always some excuse for delaying change.

Really it’s the type of thing that should come down at a federal level, but that’s a tough sell with all this red vs blue bullsh*t going on. I don’t know… just bugs the crap out of me when I hear folks disparaging things like this… the people making these kinds of decisions might be idealistic and overeager (maybe even ignorant), but they’re trying to do right and there’s some good in that. Honestly, i’ve come to the realization that smart people don’t get much done… it takes a bit of stupid to get sh*t moving.
 
RockaRhyme said:
Jesus guys, “lost forever“? “the freak I saw in the grocery store”? that’s some strong language. What’s the concern around banning CI engines?
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For me one of the biggest concerns is the aftermath of when things like this start going through. There are just too many factors i think lots of people don't take into consideration. Too many people look at it as combustion vs electric, when its much much more complex. The tech, infrastructure, safety, and knowledge just simply isn't here yet.
 
So good, they have to inflict them. If they are not economically feasible for some, the bus, backpack wearing and inner city for those and that is the desired result of this. We have too much freedom, need to be put in a place where they want us.
But but...horse and buggy, luddite.
Nobody forced anybody into automobiles, Govt didn't build gas stations with tax dollars afaik
 
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Poolmonkey said:
So good, they have to inflict them. If they are not economically feasible for some, the bus and inner city for them and that is the desired result of this. We have too much freedom, need to be put in a place where they want us.
But but...horse and buggy, luddite.
Nobody forced anybody into automobiles, Govt didn't build gas stations with tax dollars afaik
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I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong. you aren’t.

Federal, state and local helped push folks away from public transit in most populated areas with a great deal of influence from detroit. Left the bus and trains for only the poorest of folks. The government definitely paid for for the national highway system and state and local governments for most other roadways. And certainly the government has done a great deal to subsidize oil production over the years.

All that time and money convincing us that every driveway needs a car and then later that every driveway needs 2 or 3... now, what? In a decade or so my truck is going to be worthless. I’m going to HAVE to buy an EV?

You live outside a populated area? No bus service? no trains? tough luck.

What we should be doing is screaming from the top of the mountain that EVs should be cheaper and better made and every single f*cken one should do 0-60 under 3 seconds and go 800 miles between 15 minute recharges… and we should get a significant write off for trading in our CI vehicles. Your time is better spent there than fighting the inevitable. Believe me, motor company’s and banks don’t care how much money is in your bank account, they’ll figure a way to get it. It’s just the nature of capitalism.

But, again, you’re right. it’s going to be painful and more painful for poorer folk and that sucks. It feels like the priority of one group of people is forcing that pain on another against their will and that’s frustrating as hell. I wish I could say in the long run that it matters, but we all know it won’t. No reason for us to snowflakes about it.
 
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Enough is enough! Why the hell do people keep voting for these idiot politicians. Electrics are not practical outside of the urban areas. And they also have terrible range towing. And actually, it is heavy industry that generates the most greenhouse gases, not transportation. The US has dramatically reduced its carbon output. I am tired of the US being the whipping boy for all things perceived to be wrong with the world while a country like China continues to just do what it wants. I doubt that battery technology will ever be sufficient to replace an HD gas or diesel truck for applications like towing. Now, hydrogen may be a good alternative. But there seems to be a mad rush to put all the eggs in the eVehicle basket. Funny how many of these "save the planet" types want to impose their will on everybody else, but often don't practice what they preach.
 
I’d like to see restrictions on private jets and yachts. I mean if all us commoners have to be forced into electrics why do the rich get to continue to travel the world spewing out greenhouse gases. How about a Learjet with a 200 mile ranch before it has to land and charge for 4 hours? Im tired all the elites that want all of US to lead by example as they fly overhead on their way to another one of their mansions or conferences on global warming. Their carbon foot print is huge compared to any of ours. I can see it now, we will all be aloud to travel on our assigned day to reduce to demand on the power grid or maybe someone just doesn’t like the direction you are traveling, maybe you are headed to D.C to protest our your state capital. Oh no you don’t, your car I shut off. If you don’t think it will happen you’re a fool. Electric cars are about population control. Pure and simple. Own one if you want, but I’d keep a backup.
 
Linked4door said:
For me one of the biggest concerns is the aftermath of when things like this start going through. There are just too many factors i think lots of people don't take into consideration. Too many people look at it as combustion vs electric, when its much much more complex. The tech, infrastructure, safety, and knowledge just simply isn't here yet.
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The idiots running our country and states never seem to realize the 'unintended consequences' of their actions. We as citizens need to realize that at the voting polls.
 
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