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'22 3500 Grinding noise and hard to turn in 4wd. Fixed now but I have a question for the experts.

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I just got my truck back after 6 weeks at the dealer. I took it in because when it was in 4wd the front end sounded like it was going to self-destruct. The tech replaced the T-Case and front driveshaft. He then test drove it and found that some noise was still present. Ended up swapping out the front differential carrier assembly. I picked it up this afternoon and decided to put it in 4wd just before I pulled into my driveway (on pavement). Turning hard right there was a noise that sounded like the front diff was binding and the steering wheel jerked back and forth slightly if that makes sense. It went away as I started to come out of the turn. I thought that it might be because I was on pavement so I took it to a nearby dirt area and tried to repeat the "binding" in 4wd but I didn't hear or feel anything unusual. Does it sound like something is still wrong or is this normal on pavement?
 
I just got my truck back after 6 weeks at the dealer. I took it in because when it was in 4wd the front end sounded like it was going to self-destruct. The tech replaced the T-Case and front driveshaft. He then test drove it and found that some noise was still present. Ended up swapping out the front differential carrier assembly. I picked it up this afternoon and decided to put it in 4wd just before I pulled into my driveway (on pavement). Turning hard right there was a noise that sounded like the front diff was binding and the steering wheel jerked back and forth slightly if that makes sense. It went away as I started to come out of the turn. I thought that it might be because I was on pavement so I took it to a nearby dirt area and tried to repeat the "binding" in 4wd but I didn't hear or feel anything unusual. Does it sound like something is still wrong or is this normal on pavement?
Thats 100% normal, you are binding the driveline when not on slippery/ loose surfaces
 
Thats 100% normal, you are binding the driveline when not on slippery/ loose surfaces
Thanks. Just freaking out slightly since it only has 40k miles on it and I hardly ever use 4wd. Tech thinks the failed carrier caused the T-case failure. Hopefully it's fixed.
 
I just got my truck back after 6 weeks at the dealer. I took it in because when it was in 4wd the front end sounded like it was going to self-destruct. The tech replaced the T-Case and front driveshaft. He then test drove it and found that some noise was still present. Ended up swapping out the front differential carrier assembly. I picked it up this afternoon and decided to put it in 4wd just before I pulled into my driveway (on pavement). Turning hard right there was a noise that sounded like the front diff was binding and the steering wheel jerked back and forth slightly if that makes sense. It went away as I started to come out of the turn. I thought that it might be because I was on pavement so I took it to a nearby dirt area and tried to repeat the "binding" in 4wd but I didn't hear or feel anything unusual. Does it sound like something is still wrong or is this normal on pavement?
On part-time 4x4, such as these, I will avoid turning in 4wd on dry pavement, it is very hard on the front diff and t-case. Wet pavement has significantly less traction and is therefore not as big of a problem. The reason for this is because when you turn the rear tires are making a smaller circle than the fronts, but there is no center diff in most part-time 4x4 systems. The jerking back and forth of your steering wheel is due to the U-joints at the ends of your front axle, they are not constant-velocity.... makes sense?
 
On part-time 4x4, such as these, I will avoid turning in 4wd on dry pavement, it is very hard on the front diff and t-case. Wet pavement has significantly less traction and is therefore not as big of a problem. The reason for this is because when you turn the rear tires are making a smaller circle than the fronts, but there is no center diff in most part-time 4x4 systems. The jerking back and forth of your steering wheel is due to the U-joints at the ends of your front axle, they are not constant-velocity.... makes sense?
These trucks actually have an open front differential, but yes, they still bind up in 4x4 on dry pavement.
 
These trucks actually have an open front differential, but yes, they still bind up in 4x4 on dry pavement.
These trucks actually have an open front differential, but yes, they still bind up in 4x4 on dry pavemen
The presence of an open front differential has NOTHING to do with driveline bind in a part-time 4x4 system, and that’s the key point being missed here.
The binding occurs because there is NO CENTER DIFF between the front and rear axles. In 4H, the transfer case mechanically locks the front and rear driveshafts together, forcing them to rotate at the same average speed. When you turn on high-traction surfaces, the front and rear axles must rotate at different speeds due to different turning radii - and there’s nowhere for that speed difference to be absorbed. That’s what causes wind-up.
An open front diff only allows left vs right wheel speed difference on the front axle. It does nothing to relieve the speed mismatch between the front axle and rear axle. So whether the front diff is open or locked is irrelevant to the binding issue.
As for the steering feedback: yes, solid-axle trucks with U-joint front shafts (not CVs) will transmit torque variation during steering, which is why you feel jerking or kickback - but that’s only a symptom, not the root cause. The root cause is torsional wind-up from a locked front/rear driveline on a high-traction surface.
That’s also why:
Loose surfaces (snow, dirt, wet pavement) reduce the problem - tire slip relieves wind-up
Full-time 4WD or AWD systems with a center differential don’t have this issue (there are many variations of late, some that don't have a center diff, but rather a clutch of some type...)
Locking hubs disengaged = no bind, even in 4H
So yes, most of these trucks have an open front differential - but that does not prevent binding, and it’s not what determines whether 4WD can be safely used on dry pavement. The deciding factor is the absence of a center diff in a part-time system...
 
The presence of an open front differential has NOTHING to do with driveline bind in a part-time 4x4 system, and that’s the key point being missed here.
The binding occurs because there is NO CENTER DIFF between the front and rear axles. In 4H, the transfer case mechanically locks the front and rear driveshafts together, forcing them to rotate at the same average speed. When you turn on high-traction surfaces, the front and rear axles must rotate at different speeds due to different turning radii - and there’s nowhere for that speed difference to be absorbed. That’s what causes wind-up.
An open front diff only allows left vs right wheel speed difference on the front axle. It does nothing to relieve the speed mismatch between the front axle and rear axle. So whether the front diff is open or locked is irrelevant to the binding issue.
As for the steering feedback: yes, solid-axle trucks with U-joint front shafts (not CVs) will transmit torque variation during steering, which is why you feel jerking or kickback - but that’s only a symptom, not the root cause. The root cause is torsional wind-up from a locked front/rear driveline on a high-traction surface.
That’s also why:
Loose surfaces (snow, dirt, wet pavement) reduce the problem - tire slip relieves wind-up
Full-time 4WD or AWD systems with a center differential don’t have this issue (there are many variations of late, some that don't have a center diff, but rather a clutch of some type...)
Locking hubs disengaged = no bind, even in 4H
So yes, most of these trucks have an open front differential - but that does not prevent binding, and it’s not what determines whether 4WD can be safely used on dry pavement. The deciding factor is the absence of a center diff in a part-time system...
I understand that.

Just misinterpreted your original post, into thinking that you were referencing the front axle for some reason. Let’s chalk that up to morning coffee not taking hold quite yet.

Cheers.
 
I just got my truck back after 6 weeks at the dealer. I took it in because when it was in 4wd the front end sounded like it was going to self-destruct. The tech replaced the T-Case and front driveshaft. He then test drove it and found that some noise was still present. Ended up swapping out the front differential carrier assembly. I picked it up this afternoon and decided to put it in 4wd just before I pulled into my driveway (on pavement). Turning hard right there was a noise that sounded like the front diff was binding and the steering wheel jerked back and forth slightly if that makes sense. It went away as I started to come out of the turn. I thought that it might be because I was on pavement so I took it to a nearby dirt area and tried to repeat the "binding" in 4wd but I didn't hear or feel anything unusual. Does it sound like something is still wrong or is this normal on pavement?
You should never use 4wd on dry pavement. Doing so will cause problems, as you have discovered.
 
Thanks. Just freaking out slightly since it only has 40k miles on it and I hardly ever use 4wd. Tech thinks the failed carrier caused the T-case failure. Hopefully it's fixed.
Using 4wd on dry pavement caused the problem. Keep doing it and you’ll break more stuff.
 
You should never use 4wd on dry pavement. Doing so will cause problems, as you have discovered.
I wouldn't say never; there are cases where I would actually use 4wd (4-Low even) on dry pavement, just avoid making sharp turns. One example, pulling up a steep boat ramp after loading a big/heavy boat...
 
Using 4wd on dry pavement caused the problem. Keep doing it and you’ll break more stuff.
Just for the record. Other than the time I just mentioned I have never used the 4wd on pavement. Don't know why it failed but that wasn't the reason. The only time I have really stressed it is towing my 5th wheel in 4wd. I pull it down the Apache Trail in AZ which was a dirt road but has steep hills and tight turns. I also use 4 low to back it up into my normal RV spot that has a tight turn, a big dirt berm and a decent uphill grade but it's on dirt also. Hard to believe any of that would cause damage.
 
Just for the record. Other than the time I just mentioned I have never used the 4wd on pavement. Don't know why it failed but that wasn't the reason. The only time I have really stressed it is towing my 5th wheel in 4wd. I pull it down the Apache Trail in AZ which was a dirt road but has steep hills and tight turns. I also use 4 low to back it up into my normal RV spot that has a tight turn, a big dirt berm and a decent uphill grade but it's on dirt also. Hard to believe any of that would cause damage.
So it broke after doing what you described in your post #1, but now you’re saying that wasn’t what caused it to fail? Hahahaha
 
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