No argument, I think the Kia's are pretty impressive too. And I'm not a Subaru rah rah guy, if I sounded like that I didn't mean to, really was just saying I'm surrounded by happy Sub owners.
I have an interesting comparison on older and newer CVT's. My daughter has a 2011 Forester, and it's pretty wound up on the highway, I think over 3000 rpm at speeds over 70, and just generally kind of buzzy. While a great value of a car for a 22 year old, I can't say I'd enjoy driving it very much. My wife has a 2023 Forester, and the smoothness and easy highway cruising are night and day better. Maybe not surprising for 12 years newer, but changed my view of CVT's a bit, like you I was pretty negative about them prior. I drove a Jeep with CVT a bit, think it was a Patriot, and really didn't like that drivetrain at all.