Awesome. How do you access your clutch though? The Power Wagon has an extended clutch handle next to the fairlead, but even that is a pain to reach sometimes
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What did you do TO your RAM today?
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H3LZSN1P3R
You're doing it wrong
Considering the duty cycle on that winch your alternator would be more than enough if you followed the proper winching cycle according to the duty cycle
What’s the duty cycle? Warn makes no mention of a duty cycle.
But the point is, the winch draws a massive amount of power at high loads, and the electrical system will struggle to keep up with it. Solutions: Let the winch rest often to let the electrical system catch up. Reduce load by increasing mechanical advantage(switch to a 2:1 or 3:1 system), or reducing more factor(bust out the shovel). Upgrade alternator.
Sample electrical load calcs for how long it takes to drain the battery when winching...
Someone check my math.
i have 65ft of line on my winch, ~50ft useable after the first wrap. Stock alternator is 180amp , but produces about 160amps at 1500rpm engine speed. (For reference the 220amp alternator produces about 200amps at this engine speed). Looks like H7 is the battery for our truck, which seems to have a reserve capacity of 140 minutes (time to “discharged” with 25amp load). We will ignore any other electrical loads for the sake of simplicity.
If I pull all 50ft without rest, with a 6000lb load , it will draw 272amps for about 6 minutes(7.8ft/min).
272amps-160amps =~ 110amps, which is roughly 4x the “rated” load for reserve capacity. So at this rate the battery would be discharged in 35 minutes.
Now if we’re pulling at the grill capacity of the winch, 12000lbs, using 469amps. It will take about 15 minutes to pull all 50ft(3.3ft/min) line speed.
Our power draw 469amps-160amps=~ 300amps, which is about 12times the reserve capacity rated load(25amps). Battery will be discharged in 12minutes...
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Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
Glad I have the 100’ winch line
I keep a short line, and carry an extension and an x-lock. Short line is quicker and easier to respool, and less line means gets you down to the lower layers for more powa.
Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
More line = snatch block = less Amps (;
H3LZSN1P3R
You're doing it wrong
My warn is about 7% so i will winch for 1 min at max cap or 2 mins at 1/2 cap let rest for 1-2mins then go again this is the winch i ran on my old jeep with a 100 amp alt i would strongly advise running extra cable and a snatch block you could greatly bennifit from dual batteries if you are doing that much winching constantly
Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
Not going to lie, on the trail when someone has rolled or broken something, duty cycle never crosses my mind. I’m not even going to pretend I let it rest. The warn on my Toyota gets abused on a regular basis, long constant pulls, only allowed to cool off while we reset the rope or move a rig. I know that ain’t right but I’ve never had a Warn let me down or quit.
Because of the heavy load nature, I wanted the thermal monitoring of the 16.5ti for the Ram. I ordered a 16.5ti for the Ram back in Nov but warn said the ETA was April or longer and there were none in the country. AEV co-signed on this, saying they wanted to offer the winches for sale with their bumpers, but they are having trouble even getting the winches for their upfitter vehicles. I had to settle for a M12S to get me up and running, but is has the longest cable of the heavy duty Warn options, so double line pulls will be easy and likely the norm
Because of the heavy load nature, I wanted the thermal monitoring of the 16.5ti for the Ram. I ordered a 16.5ti for the Ram back in Nov but warn said the ETA was April or longer and there were none in the country. AEV co-signed on this, saying they wanted to offer the winches for sale with their bumpers, but they are having trouble even getting the winches for their upfitter vehicles. I had to settle for a M12S to get me up and running, but is has the longest cable of the heavy duty Warn options, so double line pulls will be easy and likely the norm
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H3LZSN1P3R
You're doing it wrong
I rarely used my winch i would typically just hook a strap and use the jeep to pull others it was faster for me personally you just have to be more careful and easy on the skinny pedal
Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
^ always the first option
Yes as I mentioned above I carry an extension (and a pulley)(and shackles, and tree straps, and an x-lock). Less line on the spool means I get down to the layers with more pulling power on most pulls, is quicker and easier to reset, and I don’t have to worry as much about it binding on the cross bars if it stacks up on one side
even if you think you have enough line on your spool, I recommend carrying an extension for what it can do that the line on your spool can’t: be used to extend someone else’s winch, be used as to anchor a winching vehicle to a tree, be used as part of a pendulum recovery, extend the distance from a tree strap to a pulley, and more
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NHOverland
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was it just a drop in and go? Or did the ecm need a flash?
Plug and play, no programming needed.
I will do a full pull if it makes a difference in a recovery. But we have also had to make a switch mid recovery when a fellow Jeep club member smoked his winch. It was an older Warn. It was a long pull up a hill. Was it the pull or just its time to go? I don't really pay attention to the duty cycle but I try to do short pulls with some rest between.
How are the Fox shocks working out? Have you driven it enough to tell?
Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
They’re great, as usual. I love Fox, that’s what I run on pretty much everything and am set up to service and tune shocks at home and have the knowledge to do so. Disclosure: my brother is an engineer at Fox, but I do have to pay for my shocks.
These are “cheaper” Fox, but anytime you swap out a set of emulsion shocks for a set of shocks with internal floating pistons, you’ll see a difference. Even more of a difference when you bump up to a reservoir shock. A properly tuned resi shock makes a world of difference. My Toyota has been described as “rides smoother off road than my Jeep rides on road” by passengers
There are lots of great shock options out there. Some higher $ and some lower $
I like Fox shocks. I have Fox 2.5s on my 2007. I have Kings on order from Carli for the 2020. I ordered them in October and it still looks like I am 3 months out. I found a good deal on some tires and I thought about picking up a quick level kit to run in the meantime.
Rockcrawlindude
a rock crawlin’ dude
I have an unused level spacer kit for sale cheap (; see classified
That is a good deal. I am told 37s will fit on a stock truck with the same pinch weld/liner mods you need to do with the 3" lift anyway. I am sure it will look like butt without the level though. Hmmmm....