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What the Wifey wants the Wifey gets....but i need help

I just contacted a buddy of mine who’s familiar with this type of thing (much more so than myself at the least). He gave me a local guy who he trusts and does a lot of his friends trucks around here. I contacted him, told him my “wants”.
He suggested
1) leveling with 35’s
2) lifting with 37’s
He’s getting me a quote installed on both.
I’ll share when I receive.


Here is 2.5" front Carli springs, thuren track bar, bilstein 5160 reservoirs up front and 5100s out back along with 2" rear block and air back spacers.

Tires are 10.5" wide and IMO, are the widest I'd go on stock rims. Im running a .25" spacer between the duals which is not ideal but to this point has shown no issues towing my 14k lb 5er a couple thousand miles already.

Really couldn't be happier with how it looks, rides, and cruises with the larger tire and factory 4.10 gears.

This entire set up including tires cost me around $3200 from a few different suppliers, hunting for deals.


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Here is 2.5" front Carli springs, thuren track bar, bilstein 5160 reservoirs up front and 5100s out back along with 2" rear block and air back spacers.

Tires are 10.5" wide and IMO, are the widest I'd go on stock rims. Im running a .25" spacer between the duals which is not ideal but to this point has shown no issues towing my 14k lb 5er a couple thousand miles already.

Really couldn't be happier with how it looks, rides, and cruises with the larger tire and factory 4.10 gears.

This entire set up including tires cost me around $3200 from a few different suppliers, hunting for deals.


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This!!

Any plans for the Thuren anti-sway bar?

@new2rams
For heavy bumper pull trailers I’d probably consider the 1.75” springs and airbags.

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^^^^ $2500.00 is not going to get you very far. Your best bet is to reach out the the guys at CJC. They specialize in lifting HD trucks but also improving ride quality at the same time. They carry brands like Carli and Thuren as well as a few others. Tell them what you have and what you are looking to achieve. To do it right your are looking at a minimum of $8k for parts, wheels and tires. There are plenty of options to do it cheaper but you really get what you pay for….

 
lol….I would just tell her it’s not going to happen. My wife gets spoiled but at a certain point I draw the line
 
I don’t think that’s being negative. That’s intelligent thinking in my book.
The heavy towing will be all hitch (no goose or 5th) and will definitely be at max capacity.
It will tow one of these three things:
Dump trailer filled with road base
Skid steer
Mini excavator
I realize if using a goose or 5th we could tow much more by spec, however when towing any of these three above mentioned loads it’ll be at max payload before towing. That’s why I reference “heavy heavy”. It’ll at least be at the trucks max.
I don’t feel the height (drop hitch) will be an issue for “trailer angle”.
Does the lift or level and 37’s still pose something I should be concerned about with that information?
Literally, the other 95% if it’s lift it’ll be hauling kids to sports and such.

came back to say to look up someone local and get their thoughts - noticed that you did that so at least you're on the right track.

bumper pull makes a big difference for sure - i've seen barrel racers have all sorts of issues with a "lifted" truck trying to pull a 40ft living quarters trailer around and either have axle issues or end up getting the trailer into the truck bed.
 
Here is 2.5" front Carli springs, thuren track bar, bilstein 5160 reservoirs up front and 5100s out back along with 2" rear block and air back spacers.

Tires are 10.5" wide and IMO, are the widest I'd go on stock rims. Im running a .25" spacer between the duals which is not ideal but to this point has shown no issues towing my 14k lb 5er a couple thousand miles already.

Really couldn't be happier with how it looks, rides, and cruises with the larger tire and factory 4.10 gears.

This entire set up including tires cost me around $3200 from a few different suppliers, hunting for deals.


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your truck is beautiful. Super nice looking setup. And thank you for the detail. This post super helps someone like myself. I can go show your truck to the wifey and see if it's what's she's imagining in her head. Thank you
 
This!!

Any plans for the Thuren anti-sway bar?

@new2rams
For heavy bumper pull trailers I’d probably consider the 1.75” springs and airbags.

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WOW! Thank you. I really appreciate this. I've read around this forum Thure and Carli earned a lot of respect from most on here. thank you for taking the time to do this.!
 
^^^^ $2500.00 is not going to get you very far. Your best bet is to reach out the the guys at CJC. They specialize in lifting HD trucks but also improving ride quality at the same time. They carry brands like Carli and Thuren as well as a few others. Tell them what you have and what you are looking to achieve. To do it right your are looking at a minimum of $8k for parts, wheels and tires. There are plenty of options to do it cheaper but you really get what you pay for….

Thank you. I'll check out CJC for sure. I was hoping (but figured my wishful price goal) wasn't going to get the job completely done. However, I'm not trying to get her truck on the cover of RAM Weekly or anything. However, I respect the buy once cry once philosophy. It's just a hard pill to swallow buying the new truck, then dropping even more into it to get it right. However, i know this is the game i signed up to play, so i just have to quit being scotty and a little more MJ
 
lol….I would just tell her it’s not going to happen. My wife gets spoiled but at a certain point I draw the line
Well......I have two ex wifes. And if I don't keep this one happy, i'm going to have to actually start agreeing with the last two that i'm the problem. So if it's a big ole RAM she wants, it's a big ole RAM she gets. Honestly, i've wanted a dually for our family for quite some time, i just wasn't leaning towards the RAM (i'm a Ford guy...sorry everyone). I"ve had quite a few f350's and loved each and everyone of them (none a DRW however). I'm actually excited to experience this brand and possibly it'll convert me. I think all the big 3 are nice and have their plus's and minus's.
 
came back to say to look up someone local and get their thoughts - noticed that you did that so at least you're on the right track.

bumper pull makes a big difference for sure - i've seen barrel racers have all sorts of issues with a "lifted" truck trying to pull a 40ft living quarters trailer around and either have axle issues or end up getting the trailer into the truck bed.
Those darn Barrel racers!!! A wild bunch they are! I'll make sure to keep this forum posted for anybody that is interested or anybody that might come along later in what we end up doing. If the money is right, I truly believe we'll just full lift it and do it that way becuase that's what she truly wants. She test drove a 6" lifted DRW with 37's a few weeks back and fell in love. But it didn't have the high output (which to me is just a thing where it had to have it).....so i didn't buy her that one. I think with this truck she's going to want to replicate it.
 
Those darn Barrel racers!!! A wild bunch they are! I'll make sure to keep this forum posted for anybody that is interested or anybody that might come along later in what we end up doing. If the money is right, I truly believe we'll just full lift it and do it that way becuase that's what she truly wants. She test drove a 6" lifted DRW with 37's a few weeks back and fell in love. But it didn't have the high output (which to me is just a thing where it had to have it).....so i didn't buy her that one. I think with this truck she's going to want to replicate it.

You don’t need a 6” lift for 37’s, and a 6” lift comes with more compromises than benefits if you plan to do any real towing. If you want the truck to still do truck things then stick to a small level and don’t touch the rear suspension.

It comes down to wanting a show truck or a work truck that looks good too.
 
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You don’t need a 6” lift for 37’s, and a 6” lift comes with more compromises than benefits if you plan to do any real towing. If you want the truck to still do truck things then stick to a small level and don’t touch the rear suspension.

It comes down to wanting a show truck or a work truck that looks good too.

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This! Thank you. Yes, a truck has to truck (and have a long bed....haha..sorry everyone)...I couldn't help myself. I'm googling leveled on 37's and everything else I can find with photos to show her the options. And then I can explain how bigger is not always better (i know i'm going to catch flack for that statement). In the end, it's her truck, so it has to be her decision. But hopefully i can steer the decision one way or the other.
 
Just remember if you level it and tow heavy without putting air bags on you’re going to have the front end up in the air, looking like one of those trucks from NC.
 
Just remember if you level it and tow heavy without putting air bags on you’re going to have the front end up in the air, looking like one of those trucks from NC.
Good input. Thank you. Whether she chooses to lift it or level it, are airbags something we can add after doing one of those two things? Or does it need to be done simultaneously?
 
A lot of good advice here. The first guy that piped up and said put a big lift and huge tires on it and don't worry about towing it'll be fine, was going to get flamed.

Personally, I wouldn't change a thing if I planned to tow heavy but if that's what it takes to maintain marital bliss, then I guess you gotta do what ya gotta do! Even I have to admit that the bigger these trucks get, the factory dually tires are starting to look a little on the small side.

Just stick to something reasonable if you want to maintain good towing characteristics, like just the front end level or minimal rear lift. I think you'd regret going any bigger than gimmie11s' setup. Sounds like his setup has been tested with a substantial camper and is working out ok.

I normally don't reply to any threads about lifts but had to on this one due to your mention of Ford. I have an F550 and believe it's a reasonably good truck except for the engine (6.0), but it's a 2004. I've been a lifelong bowtie fanboy and probably still am really, but I like my '22 Ram 3500. I couldn't see myself owning a new Ford, looks like way too many issue anymore for my taste. I'd say you made the right choice. Or actually, who made the choice? LOL
 
Good input. Thank you. Whether she chooses to lift it or level it, are airbags something we can add after doing one of those two things? Or does it need to be done simultaneously?

You can use airbags lifted or leveled, but it’s simpler if you level it.

One of the reasons I recommend the 1.75” level springs is so that you can let the rear squat around an inch under load and still stay leveled.

Bumper pull trailers pull weight off the front axle, so not going dead level empty is also better.
 
A lot of good advice here. The first guy that piped up and said put a big lift and huge tires on it and don't worry about towing it'll be fine, was going to get flamed.

Personally, I wouldn't change a thing if I planned to tow heavy but if that's what it takes to maintain marital bliss, then I guess you gotta do what ya gotta do! Even I have to admit that the bigger these trucks get, the factory dually tires are starting to look a little on the small side.

Just stick to something reasonable if you want to maintain good towing characteristics, like just the front end level or minimal rear lift. I think you'd regret going any bigger than gimmie11s' setup. Sounds like his setup has been tested with a substantial camper and is working out ok.

I normally don't reply to any threads about lifts but had to on this one due to your mention of Ford. I have an F550 and believe it's a reasonably good truck except for the engine (6.0), but it's a 2004. I've been a lifelong bowtie fanboy and probably still am really, but I like my '22 Ram 3500. I couldn't see myself owning a new Ford, looks like way too many issue anymore for my taste. I'd say you made the right choice. Or actually, who made the choice? LOL
Haha. Yup she definitely chose the truck! However, I personally believe they are the best looking dually on the market. I just prefer a little more hole shot get up and go. And the Ford has that in spades. I do fully understand we aren’t buying a Ferrari anyhow.
We also discussed this being my son’s first truck in 5 years. So the little less get up and go (realize not towing, but the zero to 60 stuff) is probably for the better.
I’ve had quite a few f350’s in a row. As much as I love them, each has had rather large problems. All with scorpion engine platform. I believe all these trucks will have their issues though, so it is what it is.

If this was my truck, I’d throw the stock tires to the curb, put on bigger tires, and be done.

But it’s her baby. It’s a small (okay large) size to pay to keep my girl happy. I can do it, so no harm no foul.

I truly think ginmie11’s setup is a perfect setup and like you said, it’s proven.
 
You can use airbags lifted or leveled, but it’s simpler if you level it.

One of the reasons I recommend the 1.75” level springs is so that you can let the rear squat around an inch under load and still stay leveled.

Bumper pull trailers pull weight off the front axle, so not going dead level empty is also better.
Thank you for the is. Great information you all have shared. Super appreciated.
 
Lots of good information on this thread. I wanted to hit a few quick points, at least one of which I've seen mentioned but I want to make sure it hit's home.

You do not need to lift to clear 37s, assuming that you're using the correct offset wheels. Even if you do lift, you have to get pretty high (6" or more of lift) to account for poorly chosen wheel offset. So your buddy, or whoever, that is saying "you need a lift to clear 37s" is just flat out wrong. This isn't a personal opinion thing, it's just a fact.

Ok, that said, it seems pretty obvious that this is really all a "looks thing" for the wife. So, you have to decide what you want based off 3 categories, where you can only pick two. Price, Lift height, ride comfort.

Price and ride comfort: I'd go with Thuren or Carli here. You can start to do things piecemeal and add later if you so choose. For example, with Thuren I'd recommend front coils, sway bar, track bar, shocks. If you decide later you want to, you can add rear leafs for an even softer ride. Carli has a 3.25" suspension, which is similar but the price is about 3.5k, so a hair more. Similarly you can add the rear leaf later, so you can choose to upgrade down the line.

Price and lift height: Most of these setups are pretty damn similar. I'd probably recommend something like the BDS kit, which offers a 6" lift radius arm kit for just under 2.5k. Keep in mind, that most of these kits are "lift kits" not suspension systems. Which means that they will ride, at best, similar to stock and not better. Anyone trying to tell you that a lift that jacks the truck up 6-10" and is using a bunch of brackets and progressive rate coils is lying to you. It's just not how things work. That said, for some folks, it's not a huge deal. If the Mrs wants the look, then the larger tires on smaller wheels should help a lot with on road comfort. It won't ever be as nice as other options, but these modern trucks do ride pretty nice compared to trucks from the 90s, so there is that.

Ride comfort and lift height: Whip out the check book, because this isn't cheap. Kelderman air suspension is gonna run you close to 8k in parts alone to get you a 6"+ lift, but because it's airbag, it's gonna ride super nice. Their kits are also incredibly well thought out. Again though, you're talking about a kit that is insanely expensive, and for some folks changing over to bags is a no-go, regardless of what you tell them on bag durability.

One other thing to call out. 37s aren't gonna fit in the factory spare location, the frame rails are too narrow. So you're gonna need to run a smaller spare (35" will fit), run a spare mounted in the bed, or no spare at all.
 
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